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Wired Wrong: The Corporate Burnout Your Body Has Been Trying to Tell You About

33 min · 26 de may de 2026
Portada del episodio Wired Wrong: The Corporate Burnout Your Body Has Been Trying to Tell You About

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What if the drive that made you successful in your corporate career is the same thing quietly burning out your body? In this episode of the UnCeiling Zone, Dr. Natalie Luke sits down with Laurel Van Der Toorn — trauma therapist, EMDR specialist, and founder of Laurel Therapy Collective — to go somewhere most leadership conversations don't have the courage to go: into the body. For high performers, corporate burnout isn't just about doing too much. It's what happens when years inside a demanding system train your nervous system to treat achievement as safety and rest as risk. Over time, overextension doesn't just become a habit. It becomes identity. And the body starts keeping the score. With over a decade of experience working with executives, lawyers, healthcare workers, and entrepreneurs, Laurel brings rare clinical depth to explain exactly how corporate burnout takes hold — and what it actually takes to heal it. Spoiler: a vacation won't fix it. In this episode: * Why capable women experience corporate burnout after becoming someone everyone depends on — not on the way up * The three early warning signals high achievers are trained to explain away * What psychoneuroimmunology reveals about chronic stress and the immune system * The Vigilance Pattern: why your nervous system won't believe the quiet is safe * Why rest, vacation, and willpower don't heal corporate burnout — and what the deeper work requires * How to hold the line when the people who benefited from your sacrifice push back Key quote: "A vacation will not fix burnout. You come back to the same inbox, the same system, the same unspoken agreements about who catches what when it falls." — Dr. Natalie Luke Free resources: → Responsibility Audit™ (free, 15 min) — find out exactly where you're over-carrying: https://unceilingzone.com/ → Reset Tonight™ (free, 7 min) — a containment tool for leaders whose brain won't shut down: https://unceilingzone.com/ [https://unceilingzone.com/] About your host — Dr. Natalie Luke, PhD: Dr. Natalie Luke went from high school teacher to Senior Vice President in a STEM company, building and leading high-performance teams across complex organizations. She holds a multidisciplinary PhD and is the creator of the Precision Responsibility System™. Website: https://unceilingzone.com/ About the guest — Laurel Van Der Toorn: Laurel is a trauma therapist licensed in multiple states, EMDR-trained, former Pepperdine professor, and founder of Laurel Therapy Collective. Over a decade of experience with executives, lawyers, healthcare workers, and entrepreneurs. Website: https://www.laureltherapy.net/ [ https://www.laureltherapy.net/] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurel-van-der-toorn/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laureltherapycollective/ Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2445948/fan_mail/new] https://unceilingzone.com/rwys https://unceilingzone.com/rwys Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2445948/support] Learn More at https://unceilingzone.com

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