The David Kaufer Podcast: The Lighter Side of the Spectrum
David interviews Mary Brown, mother and communication partner of non-speaking autistic writer Woody Brown, whose debut novel Upward Bound (Hogarth) gained national attention and was a Read With Jenna pick. Mary recounts Woody’s early diagnosis at age two, low expectations from doctors, and her shift to assuming competence after seeing Soma Mukhopadhyay and Tito, leading to years of letterboard-based learning at home alongside therapies and public school special education. She describes advocacy for a high school diploma, a post-high-school crisis, and Woody’s community college success, where she ultimately served as his in-class support and built strategies for tests, papers, scheduling, and independence. Woody studied abroad at Oxford, transferred to UCLA (starting on Zoom during COVID), and began creative writing under Mona Simpson, developing Upward Bound and winning honors and writing prizes. At Columbia MFA, novelist Paul Beatty connected him with agent Sarah Chalfant (Wylie Agency), resulting in a two-book deal, and Mary addresses skepticism around his communication and a Today Show B-roll controversy, emphasizing apraxia, regulation needs, and routines including daily reading and meditation. Topics 00:00 Meet Mary and Woody 03:07 Early Diagnosis and Low Expectations 05:17 Soma and the Turning Point 09:05 Learning the Letterboard at Home 10:27 Fighting for Diploma Track 14:19 After Graduation Panic 16:29 Community College Breakthrough 19:42 Disability Office and Testing Battles 28:14 Oxford Moment and Transfer Dreams 31:24 UCLA Zoom and Creative Writing 32:55 Mona Simpson Mentorship 35:49 Columbia Acceptance Call 37:12 Assume Intelligence 39:17 Apraxia Not IQ 40:23 Building Inner Life 41:52 Writer Emerges 43:16 Facing Naysayers 44:32 B-Roll Controversy 48:02 How He Types 53:18 Columbia Book Deal 57:39 College Prep Tips 01:10:04 Routines After School 01:12:11 Closing Thanks
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