The Nuance Hour

Episode 15: Kitchen Sink: One Year of the Pod, Mailbag, and Two Evil Dougs

It’s our one-year anniversary of ranting into microphones, and in this episode, we reflect on the pod and share what we’re dreaming of for year two. While we’re never aiming for performative anger, we’re also thinking about how letting the high emotions of this unique time in history play out has been cathartic and important.  Next we dig into messages from listeners and some stellar episode suggestions you’ll be seeing in a podcast feed near you very soon — plus one amazing merch idea. We round out this episode with a Corrections Corner from the religions episode (it’s easy to get evil Dougs mixed up), and a good news update from Montana’s continued effort to combat the negative effects of Citizens United.  Segments & Timestamps: 0:00 - Welcome & One-Year Anniversary 1:08 - Reflecting on Year One 5:00 - Principled Anger vs. Performative Outrage 9:30 - Tribalism & Motivated Reasoning 16:30 - Goals for Year Two 23:30 - Mailbag 37:40 - Corrections Corner: Two Evil Dougs! 43:45 - Good News Corner: The Montana Plan 52:33 - Closing & Credits Mentioned: 2 Airports In America With Strict Anti-Price Gouging Rules For Food Vendors [https://www.islands.com/2054614/portland-salt-lake-city-only-two-airports-america-strict-anti-price-gouging-rules-food-vendors/] ‘Montana Plan’ to prohibit corporate spending in politics green lit for signature gathering [https://dailymontanan.com/2026/03/11/montana-plan-to-prohibit-corporate-spending-in-politics-green-lit-for-signature-gathering/] New polling illuminates how the Supreme Court got Citizens United wrong and shows bipartisan momentum for money-in-politics reforms, including proposed Montana ballot measure [https://issueone.org/press/new-polling-citizens-united-money-in-politics-reforms/] Episode 12: The One Where They Talk Religion [https://www.thenuancehour.com/episodes/episode-11-predictions-2026-atwp2] Connect With Us: Produced and Engineered by ⁠Ken Wilson⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/about-the-show] | Original Music by Ken Wilson, Trevor Adams, and ⁠Robert Lanterman⁠ [https://www.robertlanterman.com/] Website: ⁠thenuancehour.com⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/] Instagram: ⁠@thenuancehour⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/thenuancehour/] Email: thenuancehour@gmail.com

Episode 14: Live at Podfort: Where is Modern Protest Music?

The question keeps showing up everywhere — on Substack, in comment sections, in podcasts: where is modern protest music? Recorded live at Podfort during Treefort Music Festival, Emily and Trevor are joined by Rob Lanterman — musician, music writer, and label owner— to answer it. Turns out protest music never left. We're just stuck in our filter bubbles (again). We trace how growing up evangelical-adjacent shaped our relationship to political music (System of a Down taught Trevor about the Armenian Genocide; Emily felt subversive listening to Relient K; Rob felt guilty writing a Bush diss on his acoustic guitar), why mainstream artists are increasingly afraid to say anything, and what's happening in the corners of the music world where the resistance is loud and explicit. We also talk about why authoritarians make terrible art — and why that matters right now. Segments & Timestamps: 0:00 - Welcome & Introducing Rob Lanterman 5:45 - Our Evangelical Backgrounds & Protest Music  19:08 - What We're Listening to Now  25:25 - Where Is Modern Protest Music?  34:03 - Why Art & Resistance Matter  36:46 - Artists Making Protest Music Today  43:21 - Closing & Credits Mentioned: DIY as a Positive Force for Good [https://bandnada.com/p/73660-diy-as-a-positive-force-in-times-of]: Rob Lanterman for bandNada THE NUANCE HOUR’S NON-COMPREHENSIVE PLAYLIST OF PROTEST MUSIC FROM THE YEARS [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2vVfNtO0LI2ep6Kwy2rQlE?si=b50234dd855a460f] by Rob Lanterman Connect With Us: Produced and Engineered by ⁠Ken Wilson⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/about-the-show] | Original Music by ⁠Robert Lanterman⁠ [https://www.robertlanterman.com/] Website: ⁠thenuancehour.com⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/] Instagram: ⁠@thenuancehour⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/thenuancehour/] Email: thenuancehour@gmail.com

Episode 13: Epistemic Crisis: Processing Minneapolis and Our Country’s Fraying

In this episode, we drop any pretense of emotional distance and sit with the rage, grief, and fear stirred up by the killings of Alex Pretti and Renee Good in Minneapolis and the broader wave of state violence and ICE abuses. We wrestle with what it means to honor anger without abandoning our core commitment to bridge-building, and we ask a simple but urgent question: What do we want to tell our grandkids we did during this time? Trevor unpacks some bad-faith “what about” arguments, and we discuss the theological and moral failures of American evangelicalism in this moment, and why some conservatives’ defenses of government violence amount to either ignorance, bad faith, or straight-up bullshit. We connect the dots from ICE raids to competitive authoritarianism, from Romans 13 to Harry Frankfurt, from the Declaration of Independence to today’s headlines—all in an attempt to name the Rubicon we’re crossing and insist that government-sanctioned killing of citizens is a line we must refuse to normalize. Segments & Timestamps: 00:00 - Content Warning & Join us at our Treefort Live Show! 02:59 - Setting the Stage 06:39 - Violence, Authoritarianism & Responsibility 10:25 - Minneapolis Killings & ICE 17:33 - “What About?” Arguments 21:51 - Law, Order & Hypocrisy 28:44 - Evangelicals & State Power 37:07 - Lying vs. Bullshitting 43:37 - Competitive Authoritarianism 52:34 - Future of the GOP 59:48 - Founding Ideals & Tyranny 1:01:58 - Good News: Ellis Island Day 1:04:27 - Good Take: Ben Cremer 1:06:38 - Closing & Credits Mentioned: French in NYT: ‘Noem Needs to Go’: Three Columnists on ICE in Minneapolis [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/26/opinion/minneapolis-alex-pretti-ice-shooting.html] Ben Cremer: @brcremer On Bullshit [https://www2.csudh.edu/ccauthen/576f12/frankfurt__harry_-_on_bullshit.pdf] by Harry Frankfurt Come see us at Treefort [https://treefortmusicfest.com/event/dndmXhfAyteCIsWppWc8/]! Connect With Us: Produced and Engineered by ⁠Ken Wilson⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/about-the-show] | Original Music by ⁠Robert Lanterman⁠ [https://www.robertlanterman.com/] Website: ⁠thenuancehour.com⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/] Instagram: ⁠@thenuancehour⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/thenuancehour/] Email: thenuancehour@gmail.com

Episode 12: The One Where They Talk Religion

In this episode, we finally dive deep into religion—the topic we've been promising since day one. We're thrilled to be joined by Reverend Benjamin Cremer, who brings serious theological credentials and two decades of pastoral experience. More importantly, Ben brings the kind of honest, historically-grounded perspective on American Christianity that cuts through the Christian nationalist white noise (pun intended). We each share our spiritual journeys and unpack the movements that shaped our parents (and us), explore why American Christianity's extremists have become its loudest representatives, and ask the big question: does American Christianity exist outside of its dirty deal with power? We also tackle where Gen Z fits into all this, why men are flocking back to rigid religion, what the "church of piety" looks like, and whether there's hope in Christianity's historical pattern of resistance movements. Spoiler: monasteries were the original protest against empire, and every reformation comes with reformers who get crucified for it. Segments & Timestamps: 00:00 - Introducing Reverend Ben Cremer 00:25 - Episode Preview 01:40 - Meet Ben Cremer 04:05 - Historical Context 08:33 - Ben's Early Years 12:18 - Escaping Extremism 16:25 - Seminary & Grace 17:50 - Compensation Crisis 20:16 - Losing Credentials 25:25 - Online Ministry 31:12 - Church as Club 35:06 - Trevor's Background 38:03 - End Times 39:56 - Reformed Phase 42:02 - Philosophy & Faith 44:06 - Episcopal Discovery 47:14 - Emily's Journey 50:14 - Homeschool Movement 54:56 - Cult Years 58:08 - Church & Trauma 1:00:31 - American Christianity 1:05:05 - Gen Z 1:09:53 - Hope 1:13:27 - Church of Piety 1:18:12 - Wrap Up 1:20:27 - Outro Mentioned: Chad Kim's podcast: History of Christian Theology [https://www.ahistoryofchristiantheology.com/] Ben Cremer's newsletter: Into the Gray [https://benjaminrcremer.substack.com/] Ben Cremer on social media: @brcremer [https://www.instagram.com/brcremer/] Ben Cremer's Substack [https://substack.com/@brcremer] Connect With Us: Produced and Engineered by ⁠Ken Wilson⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/about-the-show] | Original Music by ⁠Robert Lanterman⁠ [https://www.robertlanterman.com/] Website: ⁠thenuancehour.com⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/] Instagram: ⁠@thenuancehour⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/thenuancehour/] Email: thenuancehour@gmail.com

Episode 11: 2026 Bingo (Predictions)

In this episode, we kick off 2026 by throwing caution to the wind and making bold predictions across 13 topics—from politics and culture to tech, religion, and even rollerblading. After acknowledging the grim moment we’re living through, we dive into what the coming year might hold: midterm forecasts, the future of Trump’s influence, who could emerge in the 2028 presidential race, and what might happen with religion in the U.S. We also predict cultural trends like the potential resurgence of rollerblading (yes, really), the “analog year” vibe creeping into consumer culture, social media fatigue, and a possible AI backlash. Whether it’s geopolitics, Taylor Swift, or the coalitions shaping the parties, this episode is all about being right or wrong together and starting the year with curiosity and nuance. Plus we’re turning it into a Bingo game, and everybody (Emily) loves a chance to compete. Segments & Timestamps: 0:00 Intro + Remembering Rene 1:42 Prediction Season Rules 4:58 2026 Midterms 9:37 Trump, Power, and the Courts 15:12 Midterms & Movement Signals 21:04 2028? 26:41 Religion in 2026 31:55 Culture as Forecast (Yes, Rollerblades) 37:18 AI Backlash & the “Analog Year” 43:06 Social Media Fatigue 48:22 American Imperialism 1:00:36 Good Take: Dan Carlin — “First Day, First Term” Mentioned: Dan Carlin: Common Sense Ep 325 [https://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense/] Connect With Us: Produced and Engineered by ⁠Ken Wilson⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/about-the-show] | Original Music by ⁠Robert Lanterman⁠ [https://www.robertlanterman.com/] Website: ⁠thenuancehour.com⁠ [https://www.thenuancehour.com/] Instagram: ⁠@thenuancehour⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/thenuancehour/] Email: thenuancehour@gmail.com