Episode 4 - Avalanche Professional Gets Caught (Dan Veenhuizen)

Episode 8 - The Costs, and Gifts, of Outdoor Incidents (Tracy Rekart)

Episode 8 - The Costs, and Gifts, of Outdoor Incidents (Tracy Rekart) Guest: Tracy Rekart Tracy Rekart [https://www.tracyrekart.com/] shares a powerful story of a climbing incident, lessons learned about risk, communication, and resilience. This episode explores how to handle failure, recognize biases, and pursue recovery after a critical incident occurs. Her story is filled with insights, clarity, courage, and vulnerability, all of which provide useful takeaways for outdoor & experiential educators. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest 01:12 Tracy's Climbing Incident: A Personal Story 09:00 Reflections on the Incident and Lessons Learned 12:55 Communication and Safety in Outdoor Education 17:09 The Aftermath: Recovery and Relationship Growth 19:39 A Dream of Healing 20:28 Finding a New Home and Life Choices 21:45 The Importance of Presence in Recovery 23:25 Learning from Vulnerability and Holding Space 24:43 Cognitive Biases in Outdoor Education 27:24 The Substitution Effect in Decision Making 30:26 FailSafe vs. Fail Safely 31:48 Excavating for Risks and Final Thoughts Learn more about Tracy and her work at https://www.tracyrekart.com/ [https://www.tracyrekart.com/]

Mini Episode #1 - Don't Mistake Outcomes for Process (Matt Baker-White)

Welcome to our first mini-episode, live from the lighthouse at Mukilteo, Washington State! In this brief conversation, Matt Baker-White, an early adopter of our "Lucky or Good" approach, explains the difference between focusing on outcomes versus focusing on effective processes in his work at the Wild Rockies Field Institute [https://www.wrfi.net/].

Episode 7 - Listening to Weak Signals (Gareth Lock)

How Vulnerability and Listening to Weak Signals Can Save Lives: A Conversation with Gareth Lock  In this episode, Gareth Lock (from the Human Diver) shares a powerful personal story about a near-fatal cardiac event and explores how vulnerability, systems thinking, and recognizing weak signals can improve safety in outdoor and diving environments. Key Topics: * Gareth’s personal experience with a critical cardiac event and key lessons learned * The importance of listening to weak signals and small cues in safety management * How vulnerability models foster a safety culture that encourages speaking up * The concept of local rationality and understanding decision-making in context * Contrasting linear risk analysis with holistic systems thinking approaches * The benefits of framing risk positively: beneficial risks and growth opportunities * Fail-safe design principles: creating resilient systems that recover gracefully * The role of cognitive biases like hindsight bias and ways to counteract them * Applying safety science concepts to outdoor education and adventure activities * The significance of language and shared vocabulary in safety conversations Resources & Links: * Gareth Lock - The Human Diver [https://thehumandiver.com/]

Episode 6- Failing Forward (Jaime Overmyer)

In the world of adaptive outdoor education, the balance between safety and adventure is tenuous. One common challenge that many organizations face is the fear of failure among staff, especially in high-consequence situations. In this post, we’ll explore insights shared by Jaime Overmeyer of the Breckenridge Outdoor Education Center on how to transform the stigma of failure into a powerful tool for growth, confidence, and innovation. By creating a balance between clear policies with trust and flexibility for innovation, Jaime describes how she has built an organizational mindset of "failing forward" on the pathway of continuous improvement.

Episode 5 - Five Steps Towards Climate Resilience (Shana Tarter)

SUMMARY  This episode explores the impact of climate change on outdoor and experiential education, emphasizing proactive risk management and organizational resilience. Guest Shana Tarter shares insights on adapting to climate threats, rethinking risk assessment, and implementing strategic planning to proactively manage risk and promote mission continuity. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest 01:36 The Opportunity to Be Good Rather than Lucky 02:17 Impact of Climate Change on Outdoor Programs 04:24 The Dichotomy of Luck and Good 05:43 Recognizing Slow-Moving Threats 07:41 Lessons from COVID-19 for Climate Adaptation 08:48 Mental Models and Sunk Cost Bias 10:24 Incentives for Change in Risk Management 12:59 Evolving Risk Assessment Models 14:30 Dynamic Risk Assessment in Climate Change 18:22 Collaboration in Decision-Making 20:12 Navigating the Yellow Zone of Risk 21:04 Proactive Approaches to Risk Management 23:56 Operational Resilience and Planning 26:04 Informed Consent and Communication 27:54 Moving from Lucky to Good 28:19 Final Thoughts and Action Steps RESOURCES Wilderness Climate Action Group - https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12345678/ [https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12345678/] Journal Article:  https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epub/10.1177/10806032241296526 [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epub/10.1177/10806032241296526]