Why Identity Can’t Come From Achievement - Pierre Spies and Daniel Ornellas

Pat Symcox and Desmond Denton - Reinventing Yourself Without Losing Who You Are

What happens when the identity you’ve spent decades building suddenly changes? In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Justinus and Flip are joined by former South African international cricketer, Pat Symcox, and filmmaker, Desmond Denton, for a powerful conversation about identity, community, immigration, purpose, and reinvention. From Pat’s extraordinary decision to risk his career to play for South Africa, to Desmond’s journey of building a new life in America, this episode explores what happens when success, location, profession, and even community are stripped away. If you’re a founder, leader, expatriate, athlete, or anyone navigating major life transitions, this conversation offers a practical and deeply human perspective on starting over without losing yourself. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 02:30 Favourite Springbok Memories 04:40 Pat’s Hospital Management Career 08:20 Retiring From Cricket… Again 12:15 The Path Back to Professional Cricket 15:20 The Decision That Changed Everything 18:40 Identity Beyond Your Career 21:20 Moving to America and Starting Over 23:00 The Importance of Community 26:10 South Africa, Adversity and Growth 30:30 How to Build a New Community 32:20 The Challenge of Reinventing Yourself 37:30 Success, Identity and Mental Health 53:00 Staying Present Under Pressure 01:05:00 Life Lessons and Final Reflections Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716 Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584 Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/ Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/ Check out our other channels: Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/ Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/

Olympic Mindsets and Immigration Success - Kirsten and Marc

What does it really take to leave South Africa and build a new life abroad? In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Kirsten and Marc share the highs, lows and unexpected lessons from rebuilding their lives in North America. From Olympic-level mental toughness to navigating identity loss, family separation and starting from zero, this conversation goes far beyond immigration. It’s a masterclass in resilience, adaptability and embracing uncertainty. Whether you're considering a move abroad, already living overseas, or simply facing a major life transition, this episode offers practical wisdom and powerful perspective. KEY TAKEAWAYS * Why "burning the boats" can accelerate commitment and growth * How Olympic mental models apply to business and life * The emotional reality of leaving family behind * Why mindset determines the quality of your immigration journey * The hidden challenges nobody prepares expats for * How South Africans develop resilience through uncertainty CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction 03:00 Favourite Springbok Memories 05:00 Marc's Olympic Race Walking Journey 08:05 Moving to America and Starting Over 09:40 Helping Kids Adapt to a New Country 11:15 Burning the Boats and Going All In 12:30 Marc's Olympic Qualification Story 20:00 Applying Elite Mindsets to Life and Business 22:20 The Power of Mindset During Immigration 25:20 Dealing with Homesickness and Challenges 27:20 Identity Loss and Starting From Scratch 33:15 The Biggest Immigration Mistakes 38:40 Grief, Loss and Living Abroad 43:40 The Emotional Cost of Leaving Family Behind 46:00 Unexpected Highlights of Immigration 51:20 Why South Africans Adapt So Well 54:10 Sport, Community and Finding Belonging Abroad 01:02:00 The Springboks, Identity and the Future 01:05:20 Closing Reflections Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716 [https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716] Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584 [https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584] Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/] Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/] Check out our other channels: Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/ [https://wtagpodcast.com/] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/ [https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/] TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast [https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast] Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/] Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/ [https://www.pingproductions.net/]

Finding Purpose Behind The Mic - Rudy Paige and Jan Hugo

What happens when the thing that defined you no longer defines you? In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Justinus Adriaanse and Flip van der Merwe sit down with rugby international and Behind The Ruck co-host Rudy Page, alongside former banking executive, helicopter pilot, and Relocated South African founder Jan Higu. From professional sport to entrepreneurship, from executive leadership to immigration, this conversation explores the uncomfortable reality of starting over. Both guests share deeply personal stories about identity, purpose, fear, reinvention, and what it takes to build something meaningful after success. If you've ever faced a major life transition, wondered what's next, or felt like you're starting from zero again, this episode is for you. Key Takeaways Why losing your identity can be harder than losing your job How Rudy Page rebuilt purpose after retiring from professional rugby Lessons Jan learned from leaving corporate leadership and moving abroad Why vulnerability creates stronger communities than perfection The hidden emotional costs of immigration and reinvention How continuous learning becomes your greatest advantage in a second career Chapters 00:00 Introduction 03:10 Favourite Springbok Memories 06:58 Why Rudy Retired From Rugby 08:40 Starting Behind The Ruck 10:40 Losing Purpose After Sport 14:20 Reinventing Yourself Multiple Times 16:00 Immigration, Adversity and Resilience 21:10 Learning Podcasting From Scratch 24:40 Lessons From Rugby That Still Matter 28:30 Why Jan Left Corporate Life 31:20 The Reality Of Living Abroad 36:00 Helicopters, Celebrities and Risk 39:30 Fear, Faith and Uncertainty 43:00 When Things Go Wrong Overseas 47:30 Identity After Success 53:00 Final Reflections Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716 Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584 Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/ Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/ Check out our other channels: Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/ Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/

Why Identity Can’t Come From Achievement - Pierre Spies and Daniel Ornellas

Pierre Spies and Daniel Ornellas come from completely different worlds — elite rugby and global music — but this conversation reveals how similar the pressure of identity, purpose, loss, and reinvention really is. Pierre opens up about losing his father before his Springbok breakthrough, the emotional reality of retiring from rugby, and why fame can never become your identity. Daniel shares the story behind Tree63, moving to America, touring with Taylor Swift and Camila Cabello, and why living abroad made him feel even more South African. This episode is for founders, athletes, creatives, and anyone wrestling with reinvention after success. Key Takeaways Why success often exposes identity problems instead of solving them The hidden emotional cost of elite performance How grief shaped both Pierre and Daniel’s leadership journeys Why moving overseas can deepen your connection to home The danger of tying your identity to your profession How purpose becomes clearer after public success fades Chapters 00:00 Introduction 02:20 Living in Nashville and George 03:10 Favorite Springbok memories 06:55 Pierre’s nightmare Springbok debut 07:30 Losing fathers before career breakthroughs 10:00 The decision that changed Pierre’s life 11:35 Daniel’s father, rock music and radical faith 14:45 Growing up with no money and total faith 15:40 Why Daniel never wanted to be on stage 17:25 Becoming more like your parents 18:40 What death teaches you about life 20:00 Leaving South Africa for America 21:20 The problem with fear-driven emigration 23:00 Why South Africa still feels like home 26:45 Life after rugby and identity loss 28:15 From rugby career to calling 30:30 The hidden challenge of retirement 31:20 Why identity cannot come from achievement Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716 Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584 Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/ Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/ Check out our other channels: Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/ Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/

Ricky Maia and Percy Montgomery on Catamarans, Tequila and Obsession

What do catamarans, tequila, and elite rugby have in common? On the surface—nothing. But underneath, this episode reveals the mindset of people who refuse to live ordinary lives. Ricky Maia and Percy Montgomery unpack what drives obsession-level commitment—from building a boat from scratch and sailing across the Atlantic, to kicking in World Cup finals and launching a tequila brand after rugby. This is a conversation about chaos, risk, reinvention, and the kind of thinking that makes unconventional lives work. If you’ve ever felt like your path doesn’t make sense—this episode will. Chapters 00:00 Introduction  00:02 The 2007 World Cup and elite pressure  00:05 Leaving systems that no longer work  00:08 Building a catamaran from scratch  00:12 The reality behind chasing freedom  00:15 Adapting across countries and cultures  00:18 Losing money and entering the US market  00:21 Rock bottom and rebuilding through obsession  00:24 Life after rugby and launching tequila  00:28 Finding purpose in unconventional paths  00:31 Resourcefulness vs resources  00:34 Advice for young South Africans  00:37 Why doing what you love matters  00:40 AI vs community  00:42 Legacy and long-term impact Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716 Listen on Apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584 Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/ Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/ Check out our other channels:  Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke  Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/ Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/