The Tim Ferriss Show

#857: How to Simplify Your Life in 2026 — New Tips from Maria Popova, Morgan Housel, Cal Newport, Craig Mod, and Debbie Millman

Many of us feel like we’re drowning in invisible complexity. So I wanted to hit pause and ask a simple question: What are 1-3 decisions that could dramatically simplify my life in 2026? To explore that, I invited five long-time listener favorites: Maria Popova, Morgan Housel, Cal Newport, Craig Mod, and Debbie Millman. This episode is brought to you by: * Shopify [https://shopify.com/tim] global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: Shopify.com/tim [https://shopify.com/tim] * Helix Sleep [https://helixsleep.com/tim] premium mattresses: HelixSleep.com/Tim [https://helixsleep.com/tim] Timestamps: Intro: [00:00:00] Maria Popova [00:01:49] Morgan Housel [00:04:40] Cal Newport [00:12:20] Craig Mod [00:24:04] Debbie Millman [00:33:08]  More about today's guests: Maria Popova [https://www.themarginalian.org/] (@mariapopova [https://www.instagram.com/mariapopova/?hl=en]) thinks and writes about our search for meaning, lensed sometimes through science and philosophy, sometimes through poetry and children's books, always through wonder. She is the creator of The Marginalian [https://www.themarginalian.org/] (born in 2006 under the name Brain Pickings), which is included in the Library of Congress permanent digital archive of culturally valuable materials. Her books and projects include Traversal [https://www.themarginalian.org/traversal/], The Universe in Verse [https://www.themarginalian.org/2024/05/01/the-universe-in-verse-book/], Figuring [https://www.themarginalian.org/2018/11/01/figuring/], The Coziest Place on the Moon [https://www.themarginalian.org/the-coziest-place-on-the-moon/], and An Almanac of Birds: 100 Divinations for Uncertain Days [https://www.themarginalian.org/almanac-of-birds/]. Morgan Housel [https://www.morganhousel.com/] (@morganhousel [https://twitter.com/morganhousel]) is a partner at The Collaborative Fund [http://www.collaborativefund.com/blog/]. His book The Psychology of Money [https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Money-Timeless-lessons-happiness/dp/0857197681/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20] has sold more than three million copies and has been translated into 53 languages. Morgan is also the author of Same As Ever: A Guide to What Never Changes [https://www.amazon.com/Same-Ever-Guide-Never-Changes/dp/0593332709/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20] and The Art of Spending Money [https://www.amazon.com/Art-Spending-Money-Simple-Choices/dp/B0F6MK2PWM/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]. Cal Newport [https://calnewport.com/] is a professor of computer science at Georgetown University, where he is also a founding member of the Center for Digital Ethics. In addition to his academic work, Newport is a New York Times bestselling author who writes for a general audience about the intersection of technology, productivity, and culture. His books have sold millions of copies and been translated into over forty languages. He is also a contributor to The New Yorker [https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/cal-newport] and hosts the popular Deep Questions podcast [https://calnewport.com/podcasts/]. His latest book is Slow Productivity: The Lost Art of Accomplishment Without Burnout [https://www.amazon.com/Slow-Productivity-Accomplishment-Without-Burnout/dp/0593544854/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]. Craig Mod [https://craigmod.com/about/] (@craigmod [https://www.instagram.com/craigmod/]) is a writer, photographer, and walker living in Tokyo and Kamakura, Japan. He is the author of Things Become Other Things [https://www.amazon.com/Things-Become-Other-Walking-Memoir/dp/0593732545/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20] and Kissa by Kissa [https://shop.specialprojects.jp/products/kissa-by-kissa-4th-ed]. He also writes the newsletters Roden [https://craigmod.com/roden/] and Ridgeline [https://craigmod.com/ridgeline/] and has contributed to The New York Times, The Atlantic, Wired, and more.  Debbie Millman [https://designmattersmedia.com/#the-host] (@debbiemillman [https://twitter.com/debbiemillman?lang=en]) has been named one of the most creative people in business by Fast Company and one of the most influential designers working today by Graphic Design USA [http://gdusa.com/]. She is the host of Design Matters [https://www.designmattersmedia.com/designmatters]—a great show and one of the world’s longest-running podcasts. She is also chair of the Masters in Branding Program at the School of Visual Arts [http://branding.sva.edu/] in New York City, editorial director of Print [https://www.printmag.com/] magazine, a Harvard Business School Case Study, and a member of the board of directors at the Joyful Heart Foundation [https://www.joyfulheartfoundation.org/]. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. 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#856: Jim Collins — What to Make of a Life and How to Maximize Your Return on Luck

Jim Collins has published multiple international bestsellers that have sold in total more than eleven million copies worldwide, including the perennial favorite Good to Great [https://www.amazon.com/Good-Great-Some-Companies-Others/dp/0066620996/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]. His new book is What to Make of a Life: Cliffs, Fog, Fire, and the Self-Knowledge Imperative [https://www.amazon.com/What-Make-Life-Self-Knowledge-Imperative/dp/0063488809/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]. This episode is brought to you by: * AG1 [https://drinkag1.com/tim] all-in-one nutritional supplement: DrinkAG1.com/Tim [https://drinkag1.com/tim] * Cresset [https://cressetcapital.com/tim] family office services for CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs: CressetCapital.com/Tim [https://cressetcapital.com/tim] * Momentous [https://livemomentous.com/Tim] Fiber+ 3-in-1 formula with soluble fiber, insoluble fiber, and Solnul® resistant starch: LiveMomentous.com/Tim [https://livemomentous.com/Tim] * Gusto [https://gusto.com/tim] simple and easy payroll, HR, and benefits platform used by 400,000+ businesses: Gusto.com/Tim [https://gusto.com/tim] Timestamps: * [00:00:00] Start. * [00:02:43] More energy at 68 than 37: Jim’s mysteriously expanding battery. * [00:04:57] Two mornings a day. * [00:08:24] How Marcelo Garcia avoids the “simmering six.” * [00:10:24] The portable coffee ritual. * [00:12:44] Side passions of high performers: Disco dancing, the occult, and Sunday school. * [00:18:20] Genesis of “What to Make of a Life [https://www.amazon.com/What-Make-Life-Self-Knowledge-Imperative/dp/0063488809/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]” and the sage down the hall: John W. Gardner. * [00:20:51] Joanne’s IRONMAN triumph: winning by 90 seconds on a shattered hamstring — then the cliff. * [00:26:01] Cliff events, matched pairs, and the bigger question that swallowed the smaller one. * [00:31:35] The fog-clarity inversion: clear on life, foggy on projects. * [00:34:56] Fog happens to everyone — don’t freak out about it. * [00:40:38] Jim’s wife’s one-word review of life with him. * [00:47:29] When the fire went from red molten rage to a green-yellow warming glow. * [00:54:18] Encodings vs. strengths: The window frame metaphor and John Glenn’s click moment. * [01:01:49] My encoding candidates. * [01:08:07] 70 points on trust: Discovering your encodings matters, but trusting them matters more. * [01:12:43] Enneagram as an acceptable horoscope for tech guys. * [01:15:21] The 1,000 creative hours rule and Warren Buffett’s punch card: Life is the ultimate finite resource. * [01:23:37] “The most wonderful, disappointing answer”: How Jim’s team says no with grace. * [01:27:14] Right people, right seats, encoded edition: When management angst shrinks to almost nothing. * [01:38:23] Return on luck deep dive: What luck, who luck, and zeit luck. * [01:46:24] Natalie moments: Not all time in life is equal. * [01:46:52] Maximizing surface area of luck, return on luck, and Jim’s chain of who luck. * [02:04:47] Cardiss Collins and return on bad luck: Cliff events that expose encodings you never knew you had. * [02:08:33] A warning for founders: Sell your company, lose a decade — the cliff nobody plans for. * [02:11:23] “An option to come back has negative value”: Irv Grousbeck’s counterintuitive wisdom. * [02:14:22] Signing the Declaration as a death warrant: When there’s no option, the mind focuses. * [02:16:01] The hunt for Roger Sherman: Choosing matched pairs and the man who saved the Constitution twice. * [02:20:48] The mythology of youthful creativity: Jim’s rebuttal — Toni Morrison wrote Beloved at 56. * [02:34:35] Flipping the arrow of money: Is money fuel for your work, or is your work fuel for money? * [02:38:42] Commonwealth Club event: Jim Collins live in San Francisco, April 9th. * [02:39:44] The ultimate definition of success: “My spouse likes and respects me evermore as the years go by.” * [02:43:08] A plus-two day and parting thoughts. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. 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#855: Tim Ferriss — How to Quiet the Ruminative Mind, Avoid Traps of Self-Help, and Focus in a World of Promiscuous Overcommitment

This episode is a bit different, and I am in the hot seat. Dan Harris (@danharris [https://www.instagram.com/danharris/]) interviewed me for his show, the 10% Happier with Dan Harris [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/10-happier-with-dan-harris/id1087147821] podcast, and I thought it was worth sharing here. Dan is a wonderful interviewer, and we got in the zone. He is also the bestselling author of 10% Happier [https://www.amazon.com/10-Happier-10th-Anniversary-Works/dp/0063356473/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20] and Meditation for Fidgety Skeptics: A 10% Happier How-To Book [https://www.amazon.com/Meditation-Fidgety-Skeptics-Happier-How/dp/0399588949/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20]. This episode is brought to you by: Cresset [https://cressetcapital.com/tim] family office services for CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs: CressetCapital.com/Tim [https://cressetcapital.com/tim] AG1 [https://drinkag1.com/tim] all-in-one nutritional supplement: DrinkAG1.com/Tim [https://drinkag1.com/tim] Wealthfront [http://wealthfront.com/Tim] high-yield cash account: Wealthfront.com/Tim [https://wealthfront.com/Tim] New clients get 3.30% base APY from program banks + additional 0.75% boost for 3 months on your uninvested cash [https://wealthfront.com/Tim] (max $150k balance). Terms and conditions apply. The Cash Account offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC (“WFB”) member FINRA/SIPC, not a bank. The base APY as of 1/30/26 is representative, can change, and requires no minimum. Tim Ferriss, a non-client, receives compensation from WFB for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of WFB, which creates a conflict of interest. Individual experiences and outcomes will differ. Instant withdrawals may be limited by your receiving firm and other factors. Investment advisory services provided by Wealthfront Advisers LLC, an SEC-registered investment adviser. Securities investments: not bank deposits, not bank-guaranteed or FDIC-insured, and may lose value. Timestamps: * [00:00:00] Start. * [00:02:16] The simple social secret that has me feeling better than self-help and isolation ever did. * [00:05:55] 70–80% depression remission with accelerated TMS and the SAINT Protocol. * [00:10:14] One day of TMS + an old tuberculosis antibiotic flipped the OCD switch to near-zero. * [00:14:10] The pros and cons of TMS accessibility for all. * [00:18:09] Dan’s parallel confession: The “desertification” of social life under workaholism. * [00:22:10] “It’s the relationships, stupid.” Evolutionary biology meets self-improvement. * [00:26:51] What you’re optimizing for should come before how. * [00:28:33] Health optimization made personal. * [00:31:12] Intermittent fasting: Just changing when I eat has been the single biggest needle-mover for my bloodwork. * [00:32:54] Working with your doctors: Replicate tests, respect diurnal cycles, and resist the four-drug opening salvo. * [00:37:17] AI as health co-pilot: Use LLMs for medical literacy and contraindication checks — but always fact-check one tool with another. * [00:41:48] Full-body MRIs: Over 40, you will find something. But Dan’s wife (a doctor) says skip ’em — and Rumi might have agreed with her. * [00:45:22] How my actual daily life compares to a poorly programmed Roomba. * [00:47:30] Jerry Seinfeld’s grand unified life theory: Lift weights and do TM. That’s pretty much it. * [00:51:28] The No Book: 800 pages, six years deep, co-written with Neil Strauss — because even the most accomplished people can’t say no. * [00:55:25] “I can’t do the life Tetris.” Martha Beck’s masterclass in declining without defending. * [00:59:04] Rocks, gravel, and sand: How to protect your life-changing commitments from death by a thousand small distractions. * [01:04:50] Three years without social media on my phone, fear-setting as clarity, and two hours of daily focus as the new top 1%. * [01:08:46] Coyote: My card game with Exploding Kittens, and why I only choose projects that let me win even if they fail. * [01:13:05] Parting thoughts. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. 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#854: Tish Rabe — 200+ Children's Books, Getting Picked for Dr. Seuss, Lessons from Early Sesame Street, How to Write 300+ Songs, and More

Tish Rabe (@tishrabebooks [http://www.instagram.com/tishrabebooks]) is the New York Times bestselling author of more than 200 children's books with more than 11 million copies sold. She has written for Sesame Street, Disney, PBS Kids, Curious George, Clifford, and many more. She now heads her own children's book publishing company, Tish Rabe Books [https://www.tishrabebooks.com/]. This episode is brought to you by: * Circle [https://circle.so/tim] complete community platform for your community, events, and courses — all under your own brand: Circle.so/Tim [https://circle.so/tim]  * AG1 [https://drinkag1.com/tim] all-in-one nutritional supplement: DrinkAG1.com/Tim [https://drinkag1.com/tim] * Helix Sleep [https://helixsleep.com/tim] premium mattresses: HelixSleep.com/Tim [https://helixsleep.com/tim] * Timestamps * [00:00:00] Who is Tish Rabe? * [00:00:24] How an opera major became a bestselling children’s author and songwriter. * [00:03:12] Tish’s trashy debut on television treasure Sesame Street. * [00:03:36] Pitching a childhood memory to dead silence — and landing book number one. * [00:07:27] The value of writing a story’s ending first. * [00:09:42] Jim Henson: The kind, gentle giant with a mind of steel. * [00:10:58] Keeping kids and their parents entertained with double-level humor. * [00:11:38] How Tish put her music training to work with Big Bird and Oscar the Grouch. * [00:18:56] From nine-note auditions to signing on with Sesame Street‘s mission to level the kindergarten playing field. * [00:22:48] Churning out children’s books and writing bangers about animal gestation periods and lumber measurement for 3-2-1 Contact. * [00:26:56] The zero-rhyming genius of Joe Raposo’s “Bein’ Green” and why it works. * [00:29:59] Curriculum is king: Focus groups, orange Oscar, and making sure the kids aren’t lost. * [00:32:16] Random House rejected her book, but the late Dr. Seuss took a second look. * [00:37:17] Accepting the Widow Seuss’s challenge to write a book for babies in utero and ending up with a bestseller. * [00:40:39] The secret to perfect rhyme in Dr. Seuss’s paradigm. * [00:44:14] Is rhyming a part of Tish’s DNA, or did she learn it along the way? * [00:48:12] The time Tish transformed a planet from pizza into nickels to make her deadline. * [00:49:45] Has music as a mission preserved Tish’s cognition? * [00:55:10] What does Tish aim to do with the company she started in her 70s? * [01:01:18] Sometimes Apart, Always in My Heart: A military kid’s book born from a POW father’s legacy and a high-five traced on paper. * [01:05:30] Alaska the stuffed dog, financial literacy bunnies, hallucinated seagulls, and 843 acres of Central Park in 24 pages. * [01:12:54] Tish’s campaign to get free books to kids in underserved neighborhoods. * [01:14:02] Advice for aspiring children’s book authors. * [01:15:42] Tish doesn’t get derailed by writer’s block — she prepares for it. * [01:17:24] When Michelle Obama added 16 pages to a book Tish thought would be boring. * [01:19:37] Big Bird in China, 1982: One hand-painted costume, 13 days of rain, zero coffee, and a five-year-old who memorized the wrong script. * [01:23:41] Tish’s billboard. * [01:24:38] Kindness is Caring, Friendship is Sharing and other parting thoughts. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. Follow Tim: Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss [https://twitter.com/tferriss]  Instagram: instagram.com/timferriss [https://instagram.com/timferriss/] YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss [https://www.youtube.com/timferriss] Facebook: facebook.com/timferriss [https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/]  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferriss [http://linkedin.com/in/timferriss] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

#853: Jordan Jonas, Champion of Alone — The Art of Survival, Lessons from Nomadic Tribes, Hardship as the Path to Peace, How to Handle Rogue Wolverines, and Why Not to Photograph Attacking Bears

Jordan Jonas (@hobojordo [https://www.instagram.com/hobojordo/]) grew up on a farm in Idaho, rode freight trains across the US, spent time in remote Russian villages, fur trapped and travelled for several years with nomads in Siberia, and won Alone Season 6, after being the first contestant to truly thrive in the wilderness and harvest big game. You can learn more about Jordan's axes at JordanJonas.com/Axe [http://jordanjonas.com/axe]. This episode is brought to you by: * Momentous [https://livemomentous.com/Tim] high-quality creatine for cognitive and muscular support: LiveMomentous.com/Tim [https://livemomentous.com/Tim] * Monarch  [https://www.monarchmoney.com/tim]track, budget, plan, and do more with your money: Monarch.com/Tim [https://www.monarchmoney.com/tim] * Eight Sleep Pod Cover 5 [https://www.eightsleep.com/tim/] sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: EightSleep.com/Tim [https://www.eightsleep.com/tim/] * Cresset [https://cressetcapital.com/tim] family office services for CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs: CressetCapital.com/Tim [https://cressetcapital.com/tim] * TIMESTAMPS: * [00:00:00] Who is Jordan Jonas? * [00:02:20] The Siberian axe gospel: Single bevel, wide eye, and why your Lowe's hatchet is basically a butter knife. * [00:07:16] A Montana downpour baptism. * [00:08:04] Feather sticks and ferro rods. * [00:12:36] A gnarly axe-ident, a quest for an abandoned boot, and frontier convalescense in a tipi. * [00:19:59] First Russian word learned, courtesy of a Moscow airport officer with zero chill. * [00:21:18] Jordan's youthful faith crisis and a Trans-Siberian prayer. * [00:29:16] From building an orphanage to living with the Evenki. * [00:31:29] Experiencing tug-of-war hospitality between ex-con Siberian families. * [00:39:34] Reindeer vs caribou. * [00:45:42] The Gulag Archipelago at 17. * [00:49:36] The homeschooling advantage: Finishing academics by noon, then deep-diving history for fun. * [00:53:50] Campfire psychology for gentlemen. * [00:56:00] Why llamas are more practical than reindeer on Jordan's expeditions in the northern United States. * [01:01:37] How Jordan's grandparents found purpose and built a joyful family after surviving Assyrian genocide. * [01:11:18] Dad's 12-year health collapse and facing death with radical joy. * [01:18:49] Freight train philosophy and evolutionary dopamine alignment. * [01:30:03] Grandma moose rodeo. * [01:33:07] Alone Season 6: The "Super Bowl of survival" just south of the Arctic Circle. * [01:40:38] How Jordan survived 77 days in the woods barely breaking a sweat. * [01:48:21] Harvesting a moose at day 20 via Russian fence-funneling tactics. * [01:56:21] Wolverine vs. man with axe, a tin can alarm, and a wife who likes rustic jewelry. * [02:03:05] The crappy fate of less-than-lucky rabbit feet. * [02:04:59] Fat as a survival bottleneck, and how to experience the wild with Jordan. * [02:09:31] Jordan hopes his upcoming book will help readers build reservoirs of resilience before they're needed. * [02:12:27] The most overlooked part of the Serenity Prayer: "Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace." * [02:14:48] The wilderness as political neutral ground and other parting thoughts. For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast [https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description]. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show [https://tim.blog/podcast], please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors [https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors] Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday [https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/]. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts [https://tim.blog/transcripts]. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books [https://tim.blog/books]. Follow Tim: Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss [https://twitter.com/tferriss]  Instagram: instagram.com/timferriss [https://instagram.com/timferriss/] YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss [https://www.youtube.com/timferriss] Facebook: facebook.com/timferriss [https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/]  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferriss [http://linkedin.com/in/timferriss] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].