Why "I Deserve" Is Killing Your Marriage Intimacy | Dr. Michael Sytsma | S5 E8 BONUS

Why "I Deserve" Is Killing Your Marriage Intimacy | Dr. Michael Sytsma | S5 E8 BONUS

* Connect with Dr. Michael Sytsma: Learn more about his counseling practice, intensive services, and online teaching at IntimateMarriage.org [https://www.intimatemarriage.org]. * Get the Book: Grab a copy of Dr. Sytsma’s impactful book, co-authored with Shanti Feldhahn, at SecretofSexandMarriage.com [https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.secretofsexandmarriage.com]. * The Noble Marriage Academy & Coaching Services: https://thenoblemarriage.com/marriage-academy-programs * Support the Podcast: If this episode impacted you, please leave us a 5-star review on [Apple Podcasts] and [Spotify] to help us share God’s design for marriage with couples worldwide. Exactly ten years ago, Travis and Adelle attended a marriage conference that completely reshaped their lives. The speaker was world-renowned Christian sex therapist Dr. Michael Sytsma, and the questions he challenged them to answer forced them to talk out loud about sex, sexuality, and shame for the very first time. In this powerful episode, Dr. Sytsma joins Travis and Adelle to pay that impact forward. Together, they pull back the rug on post-affair recovery, the deadly phrase that guarantees a marriage will slide into sin, and the biological reality of emotional safety. Plus, stick around for a beautiful, completely unscripted moment at the very end of the interview where Dr. Sytsma stops the cameras to call out an emotional blind spot in real time. KEY DISCUSSION POINTS 1. FROM AN ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE HOME TO SEX THERAPY Dr. Sytsma shares his unexpected journey into marital sex therapy, proving how God uses our backgrounds to shape our callings: * The Unspoken Sacred: Growing up in a legalistic, ultra-conservative Pentecostal home, sex was considered far too sacred to ever be spoken about aloud. * The Church's Missing Link: In the 1980s, pastors confessed they didn't understand why devout Christians still struggled with addiction. This prompted Dr. Sytsma to dive into addictions counseling, where he fell in love with helping broken people. * Hearing the Hardest Stories: By listening to over 200 sexual autobiographies a year during his doctoral studies, God desensitized Dr. Sytsma to sexual woundedness, giving him the unique ability to sit with post-affair couples without judgment or shock. 2. THE TWIN ENGINES OF POST-AFFAIR RECOVERY When a marriage is recovering from infidelity, conventional advice is often too simplistic. Dr. Sytsma distills decades of clinical experience down to two core, scriptural pillars: * Contrition (Humility): True contrition means getting off your self-made throne and completely relinquishing the "moral high ground." When you truly recognize how much Christ has forgiven you, you lose the desire to punish or judge your spouse. * Grace: Extending profound, unmerited favor. Dr. Sytsma notes that a humble, contrite heart is incredibly magnetic and attractive—whereas a prideful, defensive heart acts like a porcupine, making true closeness impossible. 3. THE DANGER OF THE "SPIRITUAL RAMBO" Many individuals try to battle sexual triggers, temptation, and marital isolation entirely on their own, acting like a one-man warrior. Dr. Sytsma warns that this approach is a guarantee for a quick, dirty spiritual defeat: * The Enemy's Advantage: The enemy is older, wiser, and stronger than any single human being. If you go up against him alone, you will lose, and the collapse will rot your marriage from the inside out. * Banding Armor Together: True protection requires radical, transparent accountability with 2 or 3 same-gender peers. You must grant them permission to ask the uncomfortable, hyper-specific questions about your private life, your thought life, and your boundaries. * The Spouse Boundary: While you should be completely transparent with your husband or wife, your spouse should never be your primary accountability partner. You need same-gender partners who love Jesus, believe in your potential, and are completely for your spouse and your marriage. 4. THE "I DESERVE" TRAP & THE NERVOUS SYSTEM * A Universal Human Response: When asked why a woman's nervous system shuts down when emotional security is missing, Dr. Sytsma clarifies that this is a human reality, not just a female bias. When safety vanishes, the human brain automatically locks down to protect itself. * Adoration vs. Cherishing: God wired men with a deep, legitimate need to be adored (respected, honored, and trusted by their wives). He wired women with an equally deep need to be cherished (protected, valued, and prioritized by a husband willing to lay down his own will for her needs). * The Language of Sin: Dr. Sytsma warns that the words "I deserve" are almost always followed by sin. The moment you believe you are entitled to adoration, sex, or attention, you justify looking for it outside the covenant if your spouse isn't delivering it. True intimacy treats these things as gifts, not debts. The Unscripted Takeaway: At the close of the episode, Dr. Sytsma slows Travis down to point out a moment of pure spousal adoration that Travis completely missed while conducting the interview. It serves as a beautiful reminder to all husbands: Stop rushing toward a destination, slow down, and learn to drink in the adoring eyes of your wife. SCRIPTURE REFERENCES * Genesis 1:26 – We were created in the image of God to reflect His character to the world around us. * Romans 5:20 – The power of grace abounding in spaces where sin and brokenness once ruled. * Proverbs 11:14 & Ecclesiastes 4:12 – The critical mandate for community, accountability, and standing arm-in-arm against the enemy. JOIN THE CONVERSATION! We want to hear from you! Leave a comment on our YouTube channel or podcast platform: 1. Have you fallen into the "I deserve" trap in your relationship? How did it change your posture toward your spouse? 2. Do you have same-gender accountability partners who are fiercely protective of your marriage? Remember: You don't have to fight the enemy alone. Band your armor together, stay humble, and let your marriage reflect the heart of Jesus today!

When the Physical Fades: Shifting from a Performance Marriage to a Heart Connection | S5 E7

* Connect with Rob Jackson: Visit Icebergology.com [https://www.icebergology.com] to learn about the iceberg model, coaching resources, and upcoming intensives. * Direct Inquiries for Rob: Call 719-448-9393 to connect directly with his practice. * Pre-Order/Stay Updated on Rob’s Book: Look out for When Grace Meets Conviction (releasing Fall 2027), a vital survival guide for parents and grandparents navigating the LGBTQ space while holding fast to biblical truth. * The Noble Marriage Academy & Coaching Services: https://thenoblemarriage.com/marriage-academy-programs [https://thenoblemarriage.com/marriage-academy-programs]  * Support the Ministry: Please rate and review The Noble Marriage Podcast on [Apple Podcasts] and [Spotify] to help us push back the darkness and heal marriages worldwide! In this deeply vulnerable episode, Travis and Adelle Graham sit down for an unfiltered, powerful conversation with Rob Jackson, founder and lead coach at Icebergology. Together, they tackle the subtle traps of destination-minded relationships, the true definition of sacrificial love, and the cultural battleground surrounding identity, transgenderism, and the LGBTQ community. Rob also opens up about his own 40-year journey into the helping profession, mapping out a practical blueprint for parents, spouses, and individuals seeking deep spiritual transformation over mere behavioral modification. KEY DISCUSSION POINTS 1. FROM DESTINATION TO JOURNEY: REDEFINING INTIMACY IN TOUGH SEASONS Many couples get trapped in a "destination mindset," believing their marriage is failing if they lack a specific frequency of physical intimacy or a Hollywood-style spark. Rob shifts the perspective from performance to effort: * Human Beings, Not Human Doings: Seasons of stress, health crises, sleepless nights with kids, and aging will naturally fluctuate the body's physical capacity. * The Heart and Mind Compensation: Sexuality is never just about two physical bodies. As physical baselines naturally diminish over time, a growing couple allows their hearts and minds to compensate, bringing deeper wisdom, truth, and righteousness to the relationship. * Emotional Intelligence: Keeping the spark alive requires "reading the room." It means stepping into your spouse’s shoes and asking the ultimate self-reflective question: "Am I the kind of person I would actually want to be married to?" 2. THE ULTIMATUM OF SACRIFICE Travis and Rob dive straight into the spiritual gravity of covenant commitment: * A Daily Choice: Marriage demands Christlike sacrifice. * The Core Truth: As Travis notes from his own painful story of infidelity and recovery, if you do not actively choose to sacrifice for your marriage, you will ultimately sacrifice your marriage on the altar of your flesh. * The Reality of Mercy: Walking in the Lord breeds a sobering awareness of our past failures. Even after total forgiveness is achieved, a holy lament over past versions of ourselves only expands our awe of God's unmerited, boundaries-shattering mercy. 3. NAVIGATING THE CULTURAL FOG: GENDER, IDENTITY, AND PARENTAL GRACE With years of specialty experience at Focus on the Family, Rob handles the heartbreaking complexities of families facing gender dysphoria and LGBTQ identities with a rare blend of uncompromised truth and deep tenderness: * The Grief of the "Dead Name": Parents often experience an authentic sense of death and mourning when a child rejects their biological identity and birth name. * Information vs. Transformation: Parents often cry out, "But we raised them in a Christian home/school—they know better!" Rob reminds us that head knowledge does not equal a transformed heart. * The Limits of Control: God grants believers supernatural self-control, but He will never give us control over another human being—even the children we would lay our lives down to protect. * The Double Life Trap: Social media acts as a heavy social contagion, confronting children before their spiritual immunities are strong. Living a duplicitous life means the real person never shows up, often leaving youth to suffer in silence for years before parents discover the struggle. Rob's Golden Rule for Parents: “Relate with radical grace up to the exact point that you meet a conviction based on the Word of God. At that point, you must kindly say, 'I cannot yield here.' But never let your defensive disposition, countenance, or posture become the unnecessary point of irritation.” 4. OVERCOMING A DOUBLE LIFE: ROB'S 40-YEAR STORY Rob pulls back the curtain on the root causes that brought him into specialized marriage, sex, and identity counseling: * The Prison of Panic: From middle school through college, Rob suffered from an undiagnosed, agonizing panic disorder—enduring over 1,800 panic attacks over a seven-year span. * The Turning Point: A compassionate university department head diagnosed him, pointing him toward nervous-system grounding, practical health changes, and reading the Scriptures through the lens of the Holy Spirit rather than a religious critic. * The "Peace Plan" Obsession: Inspired by Proverbs 12:20, Rob built his lifetime framework on purposefully planning for peace across three distinct tiers: Peace with God, Peace with Self, and Peace with Others. SCRIPTURE REFERENCES * Proverbs 12:20 – Deceit is in the hearts of those who plot evil, but those who promote and plan for peace have joy. * Romans 12:2 – Overturning the shifting truths of postmodernism by letting God reframe our minds to see absolute spiritual and biological reality. * Genesis 1 & 2 – Understanding biological creationism as an absolute reality that anchors our spiritual identity. WHAT’S NEXT? Are you ready to stop running toward an artificial destination and start grounding yourself in your present covenant? Leave a comment on our YouTube channel or podcast feed answering these two questions: 1. What is it like for your spouse to relate to you in this current season? 2. Where do you need to execute a "Peace Plan" in your home today? Keep growing, keep healing, and remember: Oneness is a daily supernatural journey!

Sexual Activity vs. Sexual Intimacy: Why Sex Alone Won't Prevent Betrayal | S5 E6

* Register for the Unite Marriage Conference: https://thenoblemarriage.com/ [https://thenoblemarriage.com/]  Come meet our YouTube family in person! (If you are viewing this past February 28th, visit our website to view our latest live events schedule). * The Noble Marriage Academy & Coaching Services:https://thenoblemarriage.com/marriage-academy-programs [https://thenoblemarriage.com/marriage-academy-programs]  * Rate & Review the Podcast: Help us spread this message globally on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. When couples first meet, a rush of feel-good hormones creates an intense, blinding phase of infatuation. But somewhere between the 18 to 24-month mark, those chemicals fade, reality sets in, and the world says, "You're not in love anymore—go find someone else." In this powerful episode, Travis and Adelle Graham break down the biological and spiritual differences between worldly infatuation and God's design for true love. They tackle a massive point of confusion for couples navigating betrayal: the difference between mere sexual activity and true sexual intimacy. Plus, licensed therapist Rob Jackson joins them in the Experts Corner to answer a crucial question: How do you safely lower your walls and surrender to your spouse when you're still terrified of being hurt? KEY DISCUSSION POINTS 1. INFATUATION VS. TRUE LOVE: THE WORLD'S VIEW VS. GOD'S VIEW God designed the initial chemical rush to attract us, but infatuation was never meant to be the foundation of a marriage. Travis and Adelle compare the two: * The Pace: Infatuation moves fast, rushing into intense emotional declarations and early decisions (just like a Hollywood Christmas movie!). True love moves slowly, steadily deepening through shared experiences. * The Focus: Infatuation idealizes the partner, completely filtering out their flaws until the 24-month mark when you suddenly wake up and ask, "Who did I marry?" True love sees the whole person, imperfections included, and embraces realistic emotional connection. * The Conflict: Infatuated couples avoid conflict to keep their "perfect bubble" intact. True love manages conflict, viewing disagreements as valuable opportunities to unpack selfishness, understand each other, and build authentic intimacy. 2. SEXUAL ACTIVITY VS. SEXUAL INTIMACY A common source of confusion after infidelity is: "We were having sex, so how did betrayal happen?" Travis and Adelle unlock the difference between a worldly counterfeit and covenant reality: * Sexual Activity (The World's View): Focused purely on physical compatibility, frequency, attraction, and immediate personal pleasure. It is easy to perform, but it ultimately depletes the soul because it bypasses God's design. * Sexual Intimacy (God's View): Reserved exclusively for marriage. It focuses on learning to love well, prioritizing a shared lifetime journey, and transforming your mind to become a student of your spouse so that our collective needs are met. 3. THE NEUROBIOLOGY OF SEX The type of sex you have changes the actual chemical makeup of your brain and body: * Novelty/Exciting Sex: Often driven by risk, secrecy, or pornography outside of marriage, it releases phenylethylamine (a natural amphetamine) and epinephrine (adrenaline). This high fades within 18–24 months and chemically binds a couple to destructive behavioral patterns. * Covenant/Married Sex: Releases endorphins (natural opiates) and oxytocin (the bonding "love hormone"). These chemicals build long-term relationships, create a deep sense of well-being, and actually increase the more you engage in covenant oneness. Mindset Shift: True lovemaking requires a Romans 12:2 transformation. When sex shifts from a selfish desire for what you can get to a sacrificial heart of serving your spouse's pleasure without expecting anything in return, the fulfillment is off the charts. EXPERTS CORNER WITH ROB JACKSON How does a betrayed spouse begin practicing surrender when self-protection is their natural reflex? Rob Jackson breaks down the architecture of safety: * The Offender's Responsibility: Trust and forgiveness are not the same thing. Even if an unfaithful spouse has stopped the behavior, they must actively do the work to remain a non-reactive, emotionally present, and fundamentally safe person. * The Tsunami of Past Wounds: Often, betrayal in marriage collides with unfinished childhood business or family-of-origin trauma, creating a "fog of war." A spouse can only make up for the wounds they created; childhood healing requires personal spiritual restoration. * Staying Grounded in the Present: The enemy lives in the anxiety of the future and the depression of the past. To lower your walls, you must stay grounded in the current moment. Renew your mind by acknowledging reality: "I am not in my childhood home. This is today. My spouse is showing up right now." * Loving to Please God: When your spouse doesn't "deserve" your vulnerability, shift your focus away from them. Ask yourself: "How can I lean in and love my spouse today in a way that thrills the heart of God?" SCRIPTURE REFERENCES * Romans 12:2 – Do not conform to the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. * Ephesians 5 & 1 Corinthians 7 – God's structural blueprint for healthy, mutually sacrificial sexual intimacy within the marriage covenant. * 1 John 4:19 – We love because He first loved us. True covenant love flows outward only after we receive the free gift of God’s love for us. SUPPORT THE NOBLE MARRIAGE MINISTRY! We are deeply grateful for our global community! The Noble Marriage Podcast is now ranking in the top 83rd percentile of new podcasts on Spotify, with listeners tuning in from the US, South Africa, the Philippines, Canada, and New Zealand. Help us take this message worldwide: 1. Leave a 5-Star Review: Head over to Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how these episodes are helping your marriage heal. 2. Subscribe, Like, & Share: Hit subscribe on YouTube so you never miss an episode, and text this link to a couple you care about. 3. Join the Conversation: Drop a comment below! Was your previous baseline a "worldview" or "God's view" of sex? What was your biggest insight regarding sexual activity vs. sexual intimacy? 4. Keep Healing: Click the video link at the end of the episode: “Four Ways to Honor Your Spouse” (and yes, Travis guarantees it will lead to better lovemaking!).

How the Enemy Uses Gender Differences Against Your Marriage | S5 E5

* Register for the Next Marriage Conference: https://therenovation.church/event/498/united-marriage-conference [https://therenovation.church/event/498/united-marriage-conference]  (If you are viewing this past February 28th, visit our website below to see our upcoming schedule of live events!) * The Noble Marriage Academy & Coaching Services: https://thenoblemarriage.com/marriage-academy-programs [https://thenoblemarriage.com/marriage-academy-programs]  * Listen on the Go: Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify to help us reach more couples globally! * Watch the Previous Episode: Missed Episode 4 on the enemy's scheme and pornography? https://youtu.be/wudITb6h8sg [https://youtu.be/wudITb6h8sg] Far too many couples struggle to understand each other because their inherent differences feel like an impossible bridge to cross. In this transparent episode, Travis and Adelle Graham break down the physiological, biological, and emotional differences between men and women. Using the popular "waffles and spaghetti" analogy, they expose how the enemy uses these unique design traits to plant blind spots, trigger deep insecurities, and cause devastating emotional disconnect—especially in the wake of unfaithfulness. KEY DISCUSSION POINTS 1. THE SCIENCE OF CONNECTION: WAFFLES VS. SPAGHETTI Men and women are hardwired differently right from the womb. Travis and Adelle explore how these biological baselines impact day-to-day communication and emotional processing: * The 8½-Week Shift: At just eight and a half weeks in utero, male babies are bathed in testosterone, which physically alters the corpus callosum (the bridge connecting the left and right brain hemispheres). This often leaves men operating out of distinct, separate compartments. * The Waffle Brain (Men): Men tend to process life in individual boxes. They can step out of one box (like work or a difficult conversation), close the door, and step into another without the two overlapping. * The Spaghetti Brain (Women): For women, every single "spaghetti noodle" touches every other noodle. Every thought, emotion, and responsibility is interconnected, making it natural to think about everything all at once. 2. HOW THE ENEMY WEAPONIZES OUR DIFFERENCES Because we don't think the same way, the enemy steps into the gap to twist our perspectives of our spouse's motives: * The Unfaithful Husband's Brain: Because men can separate emotion from physical action, an unfaithful husband may not be emotionally attached to an affair partner. * The Devastated Wife's Logic: Operating from an interconnected "spaghetti" framework, a wife naturally concludes, "If I did that, it would mean I love the person and don't want my spouse." This leads to crushing, false conclusions: “He didn’t choose me. I am rejected, unloved, and unwanted.” * The Unfaithful Wife's Pattern: Conversely, women who are unfaithful typically seek emotional connection first because it is lacking in the marriage, with physical intimacy following as a byproduct. 3. CORE RELATIONAL NEEDS & THE CYCLES OF NEGLECT When core gender-specific needs go unmet, marriages quickly decline into unhealthy patterns: * For Men: Physical intimacy is often the primary highway to emotional connection. When a husband feels sexually neglected, his internal narrative spirals into a loss of self-worth, inadequacy, resentment, and anger. * For Women: Emotional intimacy—feeling safe, seen, heard, and validated—is the prerequisite for physical intimacy. When missing, a wife experiences loneliness, chronic anxiety about relationship stability, and depression, which risks driving her to seek validation outside the covenant. Important Note from Adelle: “In no way are we saying that wives need to give their husbands more sex just to keep them healthy. It is both spouses' responsibility to become whole and complete individuals so they can show up healthy for the marriage.” 4. BEHIND THE SCENES: A RAW LOOK AT A GRAHAM FAMILY FIGHT To show how this plays out in real life, Travis and Adelle share a raw, vulnerable story from a recent trip. Ahead of time, they agreed to hit pause on physical intimacy due to the busy circumstances. However, while away, Travis kept making playful physical advances. * Adelle's Perspective: She felt disrespected and ignored, believing Travis completely disregarded their prior healthy agreement. * Travis's Perspective: Spurred by a healthy, loving desire to connect with his wife in a stressful environment, his advances were turned down, leaving him feeling deeply rejected and wanting to shut down. * The Breakthrough: Instead of accusing each other ("You always do this" or "You make me feel bad"), they took their independent lies to God first. By identifying the friction as an enemy scheme rather than a character flaw in each other, they communicated from a place of wholeness, listened deeply, and watched their resentment completely melt away. SCRIPTURE REFERENCES * Genesis 2:25 – The call to Yada—to deeply know and be known by your spouse without shame. * James 1:5-6 – Ask the Lord for wisdom in your marriage, and He will give it generously. * Matthew 7:3-5 – Address the log in your own eye first. Take your hurts to God, find your wholeness in Him, and then come to your spouse without blame or accusation. SUPPORT THE NOBLE MARRIAGE MINISTRY! We are celebrating some incredible milestones and we couldn't do it without you! The Noble Marriage Podcast is officially in the top 83rd percentile of new podcasts on Spotify, reaching couples globally across the United States, South Africa, the Philippines, Canada, and New Zealand! Here are three quick ways you can support our mission to heal marriages: 1. Leave a Review: Pop over to Apple Podcasts or Spotify and drop us a review. It takes 30 seconds and helps the algorithms push this life-changing content to hurting couples. 2. Subscribe on YouTube: Over half of our frequent viewers aren't subscribed! Hit that red button so you never miss a step in your healing journey. 3. Pray for Us: The enemy attacks this ministry heavily because we are pushing back the darkness. We feel your prayers acting as a literal hedge of protection over our marriage and family—thank you for lifting us up!

Recovering from Infidelity: Transformational Tools for Marriage Restoration | S5 E4 BONUS

Guest: Rob Jackson, Founder of Icebergology In this special bonus continuation of our conversation on sexual integrity, Travis and Adelle sit down with Rob Jackson to discuss the "Iceberg" of human behavior. If Episode 4 was about identifying the enemy's scheme, this episode is about the architecture of restoration. Rob breaks down why most couples struggle to lower their walls and how a "vertical" focus changes everything. THE VERTICAL MARRIAGE VS. THE HORIZONTAL STRUGGLE Rob introduces a counterintuitive truth: to fix the relationship in front of you, you must first look above you. * The Horizontal Trap: When we focus only on our "rights" as a spouse, we remain defensive and guarded. * The Vertical Shift: By prioritizing our relationship with Christ, we find the security needed to lower our walls with our spouse. * Siblinghood in Christ: A powerful reminder that while marriage is sacred, it is temporary ("until death do us part"). However, our relationship as brothers and sisters in Christ is eternal. Shifting focus to your responsibility as a sibling in Christ can transform how you treat your spouse. THE ICEBERG METAPHOR: REPENTANCE VS. RECOVERY Rob explains that behaviors (like pornography use) are merely the visible tip of the iceberg. To find lasting freedom, we must look at the "drivers" beneath the surface. * Repentance: A spiritual "gate" we walk through by the power of the Spirit. It is an immediate turning away from sin. * Recovery: A process of neurological and psychological reprogramming. While the spirit is transformed instantly, the mind and brain often require a "recovery program" to rewrite old scripts. * The Brain vs. The Mind: The brain is a reactive organ; the mind is what must be renewed. Rob describes the renewed mind as a "parent" that must tutor the "tantruming two-year-old" (the brain). COUNTERFEIT BONDING AND ATTACHMENT The conversation dives into the science of how we connect. * Toxic Bonding: Pornography acts as a "counterfeit bond." It creates a chemical and neurological attachment to an object rather than a person, making real intimacy with a spouse significantly more difficult. * The Power of Truth: 99% of people struggling with pornography hide it. Rob discusses why the 1% who proactively confess—rather than those who are caught—find a much faster path to freedom. Truth is the only environment where intimacy can breathe. SELF-WORTH VS. SELF-ESTEEM Rob challenges the modern concept of self-esteem, which he compares to a volatile stock market. * Self-Esteem: Based on performance and the approval of others. It crashes when we fail or when our spouse is unhappy with us. * Self-Worth: Based on Christ’s perfect performance and the Father’s complete approval. It is immutable and unchanging, regardless of our "stock" on any given day. KEY QUOTES "Until each individual has peace with God, they can’t expect to have peace with self. And if they lack peace with self, how in the world are they going to have peace with each other?" — Rob Jackson "Pornography is a thief. It steals the desire meant for the marriage and invests it in a counterfeit." RESOURCES & LINKS * Icebergology: Learn more about Rob Jackson’s coaching and the iceberg model at icebergology.com [https://www.icebergology.com]. * Upcoming Book: Look out for Rob’s new book, When Grace Meets Conviction, arriving in late 2027. * Episode 4: If you missed the first part of this conversation, go back to listen to the episode before this one.  Connect with Us: If this episode spoke to you, please share it with a friend. For more resources on building a thriving, God-centered marriage, visit our academy and view our coaching services. Don't forget to Subscribe for more unfiltered conversations on marriage and restoration.