Episode 64: Train Your Mind: Sports Psychology Secrets for Endurance Athletes, Dr. Ashley Sampson

Episode 64: Train Your Mind: Sports Psychology Secrets for Endurance Athletes, Dr. Ashley Sampson

What if the most important muscle you train for your next race has nothing to do with your legs? On this episode of Endurance State of Mind, hosts Anthony Herrington and Zach sit down with one of the most accomplished sports psychologists in the country, Dr. Ashley Sampson, professor in the Department of Kinesiology and Health Promotion at the University of Kentucky, for a conversation that might just change the way you think about running, racing, and everything in between. Dr. Sampson's journey into endurance sports is one that a lot of us can relate to. She grew up as a multi-sport kid in Louisiana, competed as a track and field and rowing athlete in college, and then stumbled into distance running almost by accident, deciding the night before a half marathon that she was going to run it. Fast forward through graduate school, a move to California, a deep dive into trail running, and a jump straight into a 50 miler in the Marin Headlands outside San Francisco, and you've got someone who doesn't just study the psychology of endurance athletes from the outside. She lives it from the inside. These days she balances her role as a professor and private practice sports psychology consultant with competitive equestrian riding, trail running, yoga, and somehow still managing to prioritize sleep like a professional. She is the real deal. But this episode isn't just about Dr. Sampson's impressive background. It's about you, the runner, the cyclist, the triathlete, the ultra runner who wants to know how to get more out of their mind on race day and in training. And Dr. Sampson brings the science and the lived experience to back up every single thing she shares. The conversation kicks off with one of the most refreshing reframes we've ever heard on this podcast, the idea of shifting your mindset not from negative to positive, but from negative to productive. If you've ever had a coach or a well meaning friend tell you to just think positive when things are going sideways on a long run, you know how hollow that advice can feel. Dr. Sampson explains why that approach doesn't work neurologically or psychologically, and what to replace it with instead. The goal isn't to lie to yourself and pretend everything is great when your quads are on fire at mile 40. The goal is to ask a better question, what can I get out of this right now, and let that question pull you forward. From there, the episode dives into the science of mental toughness itself. What is it, really? Is it something you're born with, or something you can build? Dr. Sampson challenges the either or framing entirely and makes a compelling case that mental toughness is both a natural tendency and a trainable skill, and that the environment you put yourself in has a massive influence on which direction it develops. Whether you grew up being pushed to your limits or you're building that resilience for the first time at 35 through ultramarathon training, there is a path forward. And Dr. Sampson lays out exactly what that path looks like. One of the most practical segments of this episode is Dr. Sampson's concept of race day fire drills. Just like we practiced fire drills as kids, walking calmly out of the building, knowing exactly where to go and what to do before any emergency ever happened, she encourages athletes to think through every possible thing that could go wrong before they ever toe the start line. Shoes getting sucked off in the mud at mile 30? Plan for it. Running out of gels? Plan for it. Weather turning on you? Plan for it. The goal isn't pessimism. It's control. When you've already thought through the chaos, you don't panic when it arrives. You execute. And that sense of control, Dr. Sampson explains, is one of the most powerful predictors of endurance performance there is. We also spend real time on pre race anxiety, something Anthony opens up about from his own experience going from nervous wreck at his first triathlon to a much more grounded competitor over time. Dr. Sampson's take on anxiety is nuanced and refreshingly honest. Anxiety before a big race isn't a problem to be solved. It's an uninvited guest at the party. You planned the party, you've got your nutrition, your rest, your race strategy, your confidence, and then anxiety shows up anyway, uninvited, the way it always does. The key isn't to kick it out. The key is to acknowledge it, let it stand in the corner, and then go back to focusing on your race plan. Anxiety doesn't ruin the party. Only letting it take over the DJ booth does. Then there's the mindfulness conversation, and if you've ever written off mindfulness as too soft or too woo woo for serious athletes, Dr. Sampson is going to give you a lot to think about. She talks about her journey from pure sports psychology consultant to integrating deep mindfulness and yoga principles into her work with athletes, and explains why it changed everything for her as a practitioner. The core insight is simple but profound: if an athlete isn't self aware and present, they don't even know a problem is happening yet, let alone which mental tool to pull out to fix it. Mindfulness isn't about being calm. It's about noticing without judging, observing what's happening in your body and mind without immediately attaching an emotional reaction to it, and then making an intelligent adjustment. Attune and adjust. Attune and adjust. It sounds simple. On mile 70 of a hundred mile race, it's everything. Zach brings up something that resonates deeply in this episode, the way that visualization creates real neural pathways in the brain even without physical experience. Dr. Sampson confirms it: the science absolutely supports the idea that your brain doesn't fully distinguish between a vividly imagined experience and a real one. This is why a well prepared athlete can show up to a race distance they've never run before and still feel, not just hope, but genuinely feel, like they've been there. And it's why Dr. Sampson recommends that athletes spend intentional, focused time not just visualizing success, but visualizing the hard parts. Visualize the pain cave. Visualize the nutrition going wrong. Visualize the weather turning. And then visualize exactly how you're going to handle it. Because when it happens, and it will happen, you'll already know what to do. The episode also tackles athletic identity in a way that hits close to home for anyone who has ever been sidelined by injury or who watched their competitive career come to an end and felt completely lost on the other side of it. Dr. Sampson explains the psychological concept of athletic identity and why athletes who define themselves entirely through their sport are at much higher risk for depression and crisis when that sport is taken away, whether by injury, age, or the end of a competitive career. Her practical answer? Build a multifaceted identity now, before you need it. Be a runner and a parent and a business owner and a cook and a reader. Have other things. Not because running isn't important, but because your worth as a human being cannot hinge entirely on your next finish time. And yes, we talk about Strava. In what might be the hottest take of the episode, Dr. Sampson, who literally consulted for Strava on a campaign about why people run, admits that she doesn't use Strava and has some real concerns about what it does to athlete mental health. The comparison trap, the pressure to post good numbers on recovery days, the dopamine loop of counting kudos, it's the same psychology that makes regular social media harmful, just wearing running shoes. It's a conversation that's going to make some of you uncomfortable and all of you more thoughtful about how you engage with training platforms and the external validation they offer. This episode is for the runner who has stood at the start line of something terrifying and wondered if they had what it takes. It's for the athlete coming back from injury who is trying to figure out who they are when they can't train. It's for the competitor who wants to stop white knuckling through the hard miles and start actually moving through them with intelligence and intention. And it's for anyone who has ever wondered what the best athletes in the world are doing differently, not with their legs, but with the six inches between their ears. Dr. Ashley Sampson is the kind of guest we'd bring back every quarter, and after you finish this episode, you'll understand why. Her research is rigorous, her delivery is warm and conversational, her personal experience as an endurance athlete gives her credibility that pure academics can't match, and her ability to translate complex psychological concepts into tools you can actually use on your next long run is genuinely rare. Subscribe to Endurance State of Mind wherever you get your podcasts. Leave us a review if this episode moved you. Share it with a training partner who needs to hear it. And go out there and train the most powerful piece of equipment you own. Your mind is ready. The question is, are you going to train it? https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Episode 63: We Went Live 5K PR, Rocket City Announcements, and Zion 100 with Rhonda Hayden, Ben Green, Chris Lott & Brian Murphy

Anthony and Zach recap their first ever live podcast recorded on location at Southern Prohibition's Big Run 5K in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. They break down race day performances including Anthony's 5K PR, reflect on what made the live format so electric, and share what's coming next for the show including bringing on a dedicated videographer named Jeremiah who was weaving through the race course all night capturing content, and their plans to do more live events moving forward. The energy at a live race is just different and after this one, there is no going back. Then stick around for four back to back guest interviews recorded straight from the event. Rhonda Hayden of Kinda Gritty joins to officially announce Endurance State of Mind's Podcast Alley partnership with the Rocket City Marathon, giving listeners a preview of what the 50th anniversary race weekend will look like for runners and fans alike. She breaks down the full podcast alley concept, the six podcasters coming in from across the southeast, and her vision for transforming both the pre race and post race experience for every runner who toes the line in Huntsville this December. Southern Prohibition owner Ben Green talks about catching the running bug at 39, what the mental side of running has meant to him in recent years, building one of the most welcoming run communities in South Mississippi through Wednesday run clubs and Fleet Feet pub runs, his Big Butts 25K goals, his obsession with finding rare sneakers nobody else has on the rack, and what's on tap literally at one of Hattiesburg's best kept secrets. Ultra endurance athlete and certified Sherpa Chris Lott stops by fresh off the 5K to talk about watching Unbound Gravel, heat training for Big Butts, the exploding ultra running scene across Mississippi, and how races like Mississippi 50 are selling out faster every single year. He also reflects on the influence of storytelling and podcasting on the growth of the sport and what it means to have a community of people pushing each other to do hard things. And finally in his third appearance on the pod, Brian Murphy makes it official. He's signing up for the Zion 100, a hundred mile race in Utah next April alongside Zach, Anthony, and what's shaping up to be the largest group of Mississippians ever assembled in the state of Utah at one time. Brian talks through the mental process of leaping from a 50 mile to a 100 mile, why the training is not as different as you might think, what it means to do a destination race with your people, and how a 5K bib number with the digits 1 0 0 on it was the final sign he needed to stop overthinking and just say yes. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Episode 62: Chosen Violence - Solo Runs, Unbound Mud, Tour de France Preview & The Cam Haynes Peptide Debate

It's a hosts-only episode to celebrate Episode 62, and Anthony and Zach come loaded with topics. Zach kicks things off breaking down his spontaneous Saturday 50K through the streets of Hattiesburg — planned the night before, fueled by electrolyte watermelons, and executed with the kind of locked-in energy that only comes when the family's out of town. Anthony counters with a nostalgia-soaked 10-miler through Oxford, Mississippi, retracing his college stomping grounds and realizing that a walk he used to dread is now just a warm-up. The guys then dive deep into the weekend's biggest endurance news: the infamous mud chaos at Unbound Gravel 200, where "peanut butter mud" clogged drivetrains, ended races, and had pros walking their bikes through two-mile stretches of Mississippi-style muck. From gravel, the conversation shifts to road cycling as Anthony breaks down the Giro d'Italia results, Jonas Vingegaard's dominance, and — most importantly — introduces the audience to 19-year-old French phenom Paul Seixas, the youngest Tour de France starter in 90 years and a name you'll want to know before July. Speaking of the Tour, Anthony and Zach preview what to watch for: the opening team time trial, Remco Evenepoel's mysterious first-half absence and what it means for Red Bull's strategy, and whether Tadej Pogačar is simply untouchable at this point. Then things get genuinely thought-provoking. The guys unpack the Cam Haynes vs. Sage Canaday peptide controversy that's been dividing the ultra running community — debating where the line is between medical necessity, performance enhancement, and transparency, especially for masters athletes competing in non-elite fields. It's a nuanced conversation with no easy answers, and they want to hear where you stand. To close it out, Anthony teases a documentary on microplastics that will make you rethink everything in your kitchen, and the guys announce two big upcoming events: their first-ever live podcast at the Fleet Feet Big Race at Sopro in Hattiesburg, and Podcast Alley at the Rocket City Marathon in Huntsville, Alabama this December — where both hosts will be racing and looking to cause a little trouble. If you're into ultra running, gravel cycling, road racing, endurance culture, or just two guys who genuinely love this stuff talking shop, this one's for you. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Episode 61: From Economics Professor to Ultra Addict | Ward Sayre on Longevity in Running

In this episode of Endurance State of Mind, Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt sit down with ultrarunner, marathoner, and economics professor Ward Sayre for a deep dive into endurance sports, longevity, and the mindset behind racing over 70 ultramarathons. Ward shares how he went from running cross country in a small Texas town to completing some of the most challenging trail races in the country. From the Flying Pig Marathon to Bighorn 100, Sedona Canyons 125, and countless 50Ks and 100 milers, Ward explains how consistency, patience, and smart training have allowed him to keep showing up year after year. The conversation covers: *  How Ward balances ultrarunning with life, work, and family  *  Why recovery and sleep matter more than most runners realize  *  The role of strength training and 80/20 running  *  Lessons learned from DNFs at mountain ultras  *  Training for altitude as a runner from Mississippi  *  The hidden costs of endurance sports  *  Building community through local trail races  *  Why ultrarunning is more about longevity than speed  If you love trail running, ultramarathons, marathon training, endurance sports, or hearing real conversations about the mental and physical side of going long, this episode is packed with insights and stories from decades in the sport. Whether you're training for your first 50K, chasing a 100 miler, or dreaming about races like Western States, Cocodona, or Leadville, this episode with Ward Sayre delivers wisdom every endurance athlete can learn from. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Episode 60: From DNFs to 200 Miles: Blake Colton’s Journey Through Loss, Grit, and Ultra Running

In this episode of the Endurance State of Mind podcast, Zach and Anthony sit down with ultra runner Blake Colton to talk about resilience, reinvention, and what it really takes to keep showing up when things get hard. Blake shares his journey from high school running and BMX racing to tackling some of the toughest endurance events in the country, including the Mississippi 100, Run Rabbit Run, and Cross Florida 200. We dive into the viral “flood year” at Mississippi 100, pacing strategy, training while working full-time as an electrician, and the reality of balancing endurance sports with family life. The conversation also goes deeper than racing. Blake opens up about battling multiple DNFs, dealing with gut issues during long races, meeting David Goggins at Cross Florida 200, and using running as a way to process the loss of his brother-in-law to cancer. Through it all, Blake talks about finding purpose through endurance sports and how the ultra running community helped shape his outlook on life. We also cover: *  Running 200-mile races while working full-time  *  Trail running vs marathon culture  *  Mississippi 100 race stories and flood year conditions  *  Nutrition mistakes, Taco Bell cravings, and ultra fueling  *  Mental toughness and recovery during ultras  *  Social media, content creation, and documenting the journey from day one  *  The future goal of using endurance and content creation to give back  Whether you’re training for your first ultra marathon or just looking for motivation to keep pushing forward, this episode is packed with honest conversation, real struggle, and the mindset needed to endure. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu