Fixing the Game Podcast by Luke
What happens to marketing when clicks disappear? In this episode of Fixing the Game, Luke sits down with Rand Fishkin (Co-founder of SparkToro, former Moz founder) to break down one of the biggest shifts in digital marketing: the move toward zero-click content, AI-driven search, and platform lock-in. Rand challenges many of today’s assumptions about SEO, content, and AI and explains why most marketers are focusing on the wrong things. 🔥 Key takeaways from this episode: * Zero-click is not new (and not caused by AI) Platforms like Google, Instagram, and LinkedIn have been reducing outbound traffic for years. AI is just the latest layer. * Traffic is a vanity metric Less traffic doesn’t mean less revenue. Many companies see traffic down, revenue up—because users convert later, not earlier. * Stop chasing clicks. Start building demand. The goal isn’t to drive traffic—it’s to ensure people search for you when they’re ready to buy. * “Great content” is no longer a strategy Generic, high-quality content is now commoditized. AI can create it instantly. What works: original, opinionated, “spiky” content that stands out. * Brand is the ultimate growth lever Recognition and trust make every channel more effective—especially sales and outbound. * Focus on your audience, not the hype It doesn’t matter what ChatGPT or Google does globally. What matters: where your audience actually spends time. * Distribution has changed Your website is no longer the main traffic driver—it’s your home base. Attention is won on platforms like LinkedIn, YouTube, Reddit, etc. * Viral loops matter more than ever With traffic harder to get, your product and content must be shareable by design. * Audience research is the foundation Understanding behaviors, preferences, and channels is more valuable than ever—for both product and marketing. * Execution still beats theory Learn how platform algorithms work and adapt. That edge is just as powerful today as it was 20 years ago. 💡 One core idea to remember: Marketing isn’t dying. It’s going back to what it always was: 👉 Build a brand 👉 Earn attention 👉 Create demand 👉 Show up when it matters
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