Ordinary Citizens
In the first episode of Ordinary Citizens, I speak with an old friend, Norris Spagner. Norris, amongst many other things, is a pastor, educator, and a civil rights advocate who travels the U.S. and the globe to promote racial reconciliation. Norris discusses the journey from losing his older brother at age 7 to gang violence to being a first generation college-graduate. We discuss the importance of listening to other opinions, asking questions, and engaging in dialogue in an attempt to bring love, healing, and justice in the midst of political and social tension. We discuss the importance of art and expression as a tool of civic activism and engagement and Norris shares an original poem about his journey.
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