#43 Steph Bruce on 20 Years as a Pro, Founding Picky Bars, the Stamata Project, and What Comes Next

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Steph Bruce joins Jacob and Rory at the new Run Flagstaff studio for episode 43 -- recorded six days after she and Rory both ran the Broken Arrow Sky Race Ascent. They start there, comparing notes on what is genuinely the hardest race either of them has ever done, and why neither of them were as prepared as they thought. From there the conversation opens up into Steph's full arc: the origin of Picky Bars, built out of a Eugene apartment with Lauren Fleshman and Jesse Thomas and eventually sold to Laird Hamilton's company; the NAZ Elite years and what that team did to change how professional running groups operate; her current role leading the Tracksmith Stamata project, which supports women chasing the Olympic Trials qualifier; and where she sees herself going now that trail and uphill racing have entered the picture. Nine Olympic Trials, a 15:17 5K, a 2:27 marathon, and she's still figuring out what's next. Honest, funny, and worth the full listen. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.meteopace.com/redeem] Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠⁠ [https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK] This episode is brought to you in part by Amazfit. Rory wore the Amazfit T-Rex 3 at Broken Arrow, where pace data goes out the window and elevation, distance, and heart rate are all that matter. Check out his full Broken Arrow race video on his personal YouTube channel here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyX_zK4kEXY] -- one of the best produced videos he's put out yet. Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.strava.com/clubs/1749368] ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.youtube.com/@jacobthomson4360] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.youtube.com/@LinkletterRory]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thomsontraining.run/%E2%81%A0] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.youtube.com/@OutandBackPodcast] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.strava.com/pros/9351341] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.strava.com/pros/18784987] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/rory_linkletter/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/jtcougars8/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thomsontraining.run/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.letstango.run/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions [https://sandyboyproductions.com/]

#41 Brady Holmer - High Carb Evidence, Ketone, and How to Actually Sleep Before a Race

Brady Holmer is back for his third appearance, which officially makes him the most tenured guest in Out and Back history. He's a week out from Grandma's Marathon, coming off a stress injury and a training block built around high bike volume, durability workouts, and progression long runs in the Texas heat. The conversation covers a lot of ground: what the research actually says about high carb fueling (and where the evidence gets murky), why the crossover point matters more than oxidation rates, gel selection and why he's cycling between multiple products, a new ketone IQ study showing a 15% boost in EPO production post-exercise, and what Nomeo is actually doing in the body. Then Jacob admits he spent race night at the New York Half taking Advil PM every hour hoping to knock out, and Brady walks through what the research says about sleep before races -- including why trying harder to fall asleep is the worst thing you can do. ZBiotics: This episode is brought to you by ZBiotics, a pre-alcohol probiotic drink designed to break down the toxic byproduct that builds up in your gut when you drink -- so you can have a good night and still show up for your long run the next morning. Go to zbiotics.com/outandback, use code OUT AND BACK for 15% off your first order. Backed by a 100% money back guarantee. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠ [https://www.meteopace.com/redeem] Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠ [https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK] ⁠⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.strava.com/clubs/1749368] Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/ [ ⁠https://outandback.shop/⁠] Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.youtube.com/@jacobthomson4360] ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.youtube.com/@LinkletterRory]⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thomsontraining.run/%E2%81%A0] ⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.youtube.com/@OutandBackPodcast] ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.strava.com/pros/9351341] ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.strava.com/pros/18784987] ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/rory_linkletter/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/jtcougars8/] ⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.thomsontraining.run/] ⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.letstango.run/] ⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions [https://sandyboyproductions.com/] * Brady's training block and Grandma's Marathon prep * Durability workouts: combining bike and run * Heat training in Texas * What the research actually says about high carb fueling * Gel strategy, product lineup, and decoupling fuel from hydration * New ketone IQ study: EPO production and recovery * Nomeo: how it actually works (and what we don't know) * Sleep before a race: why trying harder makes it worse * Recovery modalities: red light, ice bath, and compression boots ranked * Rapid fire: cross training, electrolytes, and pre-race caffeine

14 jun 20261 h 20 min

#43 Steph Bruce on 20 Years as a Pro, Founding Picky Bars, the Stamata Project, and What Comes Next

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