SpiritRx Podcast
🔬 What if you could schedule a religious experience the way you schedule a workout? 🧘 In this episode of Spirit Rx Podcast: Ancient Wisdom, Modern Healing, Dr. Hummel and Dr. Luke sit down with Joshua Nathaniel Pritikin, a talk therapist trained in Internal Family Systems with a PhD in quantitative psychology and author of the newly released book Religion, Unburdened by Belief: The Way of Open Inquiry, for a fascinating conversation about rethinking religion and belief: reliable, predictable access to awe, without being asked to believe anything at all. Whether you grew up inside a faith you no longer quite hold, or you've landed in that "spiritual but not religious" space and wondered "okay, but now what do I believe?", this episode will completely change how you think about belief itself. 🧭 THE WAY OF OPEN INQUIRY This is the heart of the book, and it does something unusual. It asks nothing of your metaphysical beliefs. Instead it invites you to lower your conviction in both your beliefs and your disbeliefs. Joshua notes this can challenge atheists just as much as believers, because gripping a disbelief too tightly is the same act as gripping a belief. 📊 THE CONVICTION SCALE Joshua walks us through his numbered system for how tightly we hold our beliefs. A zero is a casual "maybe" you feel no need to defend. A one is an inclination, a two is an opinion you'll share but not fight over, then commitment, and finally core identity, the belief you'd defend to the death. 🧩 INTERNAL FAMILY SYSTEMS Developed by Richard Schwartz, IFS treats the mind as a family of parts. Picture driving to work late: one part wants to arrive on time, one part fears getting pulled over, another is frustrated you left too late. Joshua uses parts dialogue in the book to stage the old science-versus-religion conflict as a conversation between a "prayer team" and a "science team" inside one person. 🏋️ MAKING RELIGION MORE LIKE WEIGHTLIFTING The overall aim of the book is to make spiritual life scientific in the way weightlifting is scientific. A measurable challenge, honest feedback, predictable results if you show up. Joshua wants religious experience to be reliable rather than haphazard and accidental. ✨ REAL STORIES / MOMENTS The lunch with Dr. Michael Greger in Roseburg in 2024, where a pigeon served as their unofficial waiter and watched the two of them with open disdain. Greger, whose own path into medicine traces back to Joshua's grandfather Nathan Pritikin's Longevity Center, kept nudging Joshua to carry on the family nutrition legacy, while Joshua was busy talking psychedelics and religion. As Joshua put it, they were talking past each other, and the pigeon seemed to be thinking, "what are you guys doing?" Then there's his cannabis self-experimentation journal from the playful final chapter, testing combinations of lesser-known cannabinoids like CBN and CBG, finding that an equal mix of CBN and CBD balanced out in a precisely relaxing way without the usual hunger. Some of those evenings, he admits, did not turn out very comfortably. Worth it for the science. 🌿 CLOSING WISDOM If your most meaningful moments, that sense of connection to something larger, of beauty and awe, feel accidental and out of reach, Joshua's invitation is simple: you can make them reliable. You can put a religious experience on your calendar the way you'd block off a Saturday for anything else, and approach it as straightforwardly and scientifically as you'd approach the gym. 🔗 CONNECT WITH JOSHUA PRITIKIN: Unburdened (the book): https://unburdened.biz/ 🔗 CONNECT WITH SPIRIT RX: https://spiritrxpodcast.com
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