DejaVue

Big news in the Nuxt ecosystem. While you out there already know what has been announced - some of us didn't. Luckily, Daniel Roe, Head of the Nuxt team joins this DejaVue episode and discusses the highly anticipated "double trouble": Not one, but two major versions for Nuxt are on the horizon. After over a year of delays, Daniel reveals the strategic decision to release Nuxt 4 in less than a month from now, followed by Nuxt 5 which will include the long-awaited Nitro 3 integration and significant Vite improvements. The episode covers the smooth migration experience early adopters reported already, the philosophy behind careful breaking changes, and how the team plans to maintain a yearly major release cycle moving forward. Enjoy the Episode! Our Guest Daniel Roe * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/danielroe.dev] * Web [https://roe.dev/] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@danielroe/] * Twitch [https://www.twitch.tv/danielroe] Chapters * (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue * (01:19) - The big topic * (02:41) - What are the release plans? * (06:47) - Two major versions soon? * (09:28) - Early adopters of compatibilityVersion 4 * (11:56) - Depending on other dependencies and versions bumps * (13:45) - Is bumping the minimum Node version a breaking change? * (16:33) - A Quick Nitro TL;DR * (20:46) - Nitro in other frameworks * (25:20) - Why Nuxt 4 now? * (28:41) - LTS support Plans * (29:53) - Nuxt Bridge * (31:46) - Release Dates and skipping Nuxt 4 altogether * (33:14) - We need Release names! * (35:53) - Release Dates for Nuxt 4 and 5 * (40:00) - Wrapping Up Links and Resources * Roadmap to v4 blog post [https://nuxt.com/blog/roadmap-v4] * DejaVue #E043 - The Year in ReVue (with Daniel Roe) [https://share.transistor.fm/s/2dd8fbad] * DejaVue #E044 - Our Predictions for Vue and Nuxt in 2025 (with Daniel Roe) [https://share.transistor.fm/s/3c5bc972] * DejaVue #E013 - The Road to Nuxt 4 (with Daniel Roe) [https://share.transistor.fm/s/caa4a6a4] * Daniel's PR migrating Elk [https://github.com/elk-zone/elk/pull/3298] * Nuxt 4 Migration Guide [https://nuxt.com/docs/getting-started/upgrade#migrating-to-nuxt-4] * DejaVue #E003 - Nitro: The Next Generation Server Toolkit [https://share.transistor.fm/s/d7130ed5] * Srvx [https://srvx.h3.dev/] * Michael's Nuxt Release Date Comic [https://bsky.app/profile/michaelthiessen.bsky.social/post/3llcjnkygys2o] * Alex' Nuxt 4/5 video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAoTh4DqH6A] Your Hosts Alexander Lichter * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/thealexlichter.com] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://www.lichter.io/] Michael Thiessen * Twitter [https://twitter.com/MichaelThiessen] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://michaelnthiessen.com/] --- Links marked with * are affiliate links. We get a small commission when you register for the service through our link. This helps us to keep the podcast running. We only include affiliate links for services mentioned in the episode or that we use ourselves.

Join Alex and Michael with special guest Sébastien Chopin, creator of Nuxt.js and CEO of NuxtLabs, to learn more about the origins and evolution of the Vue-based meta framework. Sébastien shares valuable lessons from open source, how he came to create Nuxt.js in the first place and which challenges came with it. In the second part of the episode, they cover Sébastien's company NuxtLabs - from its inception over to taking Venture Capital and products, such as NuxtHub or Nuxt UI Pro. Eventually, the NuxtLabs CEO also outlines how they handle sponsorships of maintainers, and what the future holds for Nuxt and NuxtLabs. Enjoy the Episode! Our Guest Sébastien Chopin * NuxtLabs [https://nuxtlabs.com/] * Nuxt [https://nuxt.com/] * Personal Website [https://atinux.com] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/atinux.com/] Chapters * (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue * (01:16) - How did you get into programming? * (04:45) - The birth of Nuxt.js * (07:43) - The Elevator Pitch for Nuxt * (10:16) - When not to use Nuxt * (11:20) - Nuxt as Multi Bundler Framework * (12:37) - How does Nuxt scale (in Enterprise)? * (16:04) - Lessons Learned from building Nuxt * (19:47) - How to compare frameworks fairly? * (23:20) - Frameworks converging * (24:22) - Nuxt.js supporting React? * (29:06) - The creation of NuxtLabs * (33:50) - Products of NuxtLabs * (37:11) - Why going all in on Cloudflare for NuxtHub * (41:50) - Vite Environment API * (45:34) - The difference between Nuxt and NuxtLabs * (51:56) - Is Nuxt a VC-backed framework? * (53:51) - Sponsoring Core Maintainers * (56:07) - Freemium in Nuxt * (57:06) - Sneak Peek of the NuxtLabs Roadmap * (59:51) - Where can people find you? Links and Resources * Nuxt [https://nuxt.com/] * Intro to Nuxt Layers [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5yo3aVkfA] * Nitro [https://nitro.build/] * Reactivue [https://github.com/antfu/reactivue] * inclusion-vapor [https://github.com/kazupon/inclusion-vapor] * DejaVue #E044 - Our Predictions for Vue and Nuxt in 2025 (with Daniel Roe) [https://share.transistor.fm/s/3c5bc972] * Volta [https://volta.net/] * Nuxt UI [https://dejavue.fm/nuxt-ui] * * Nuxt Governance [https://github.com/nuxt/governance] * Nuxt Studio [https://nuxt.studio/] * NuxtHub [https://hub.nuxt.com/] * Laravel Vapor [https://vapor.laravel.com/] * Cloudflare [https://cloudflare.com/] * DejaVue #E051 - Vite Inside Out (with Matias "Patak" Capeletto) [https://share.transistor.fm/s/528e34ed] * Strapi [https://strapi.io/] Your Hosts Michael Thiessen * Twitter [https://twitter.com/MichaelThiessen] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://michaelnthiessen.com/] Alexander Lichter * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/thealexlichter.com] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://www.lichter.io/] --- Links marked with * are affiliate links. We get a small commission when you register for the service through our link. This helps us to keep the podcast running. We only include affiliate links for services mentioned in the episode or that we use ourselves.

In this episode of DejaVue, Michael and Alex chat with Matt Perry, the creator of Motion (formerly Framer Motion), about animations in web development. Matt talks about his journey from designing gaming magazines as a kid to becoming a full-time developer, sharing his experiences with ActionScript, jQuery, and how Motion was born. They discuss how simple and powerful Motion's API is, its ability to work with different frameworks, and how it stacks up against other animation libraries like GSAP and AnimeJS. But the episode also covers a lot of open source aspects, such as the challenges of keeping Motion going!  Matt explains how Motion+ funds the development of Motion with one-time payments and time-gated (then publicly available) content, to support the project. Enjoy the episode! Our Guest Matt Perry * Motion [https://motion.dev/] * Personal Website [https://citizenofnowhe.re/] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:jqvil2la5t4yccau2abpmj6t] * Twitter [https://x.com/mattgperry] Chapters * (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue * (01:20) - How did you get into programming? * (05:18) - Adobe ActionScript * (08:33) - What is Motion (fka. Framer Motion)? * (12:21) - APIs and Limitations * (16:54) - Prerequisites for using Tools * (24:26) - The jQuery of web animations * (26:37) - The birth of Motion * (31:02) - Motion for Vue * (32:40) - Other "Motion for ..." adaptations? * (34:36) - Funding the project - Motion+ * (40:00) - One-time Payment and Time-gating * (50:39) - Thoughts on other ways of monetizing Motion * (52:43) - Can AI replace animation libraries? * (57:41) - The difference between Motion and other libraries * (01:01:04) - Closing Thoughts Links and Resources * ActionScript [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActionScript] * ECMAScript [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript] * Popmotion [https://popmotion.io/] * Motion [https://motion.dev/] * Motion Vue [https://github.com/motiondivision/motion-vue] * Rick (Motion Vue maintainer) [https://x.com/hp0844182] * Framer [https://www.framer.com/] * DejaVue #054 - Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten) [https://share.transistor.fm/s/964b5bb9] * GSAP [https://gsap.com/] * AnimeJS [https://animejs.com/] Your Hosts Michael Thiessen * Twitter [https://twitter.com/MichaelThiessen] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://michaelnthiessen.com/] Alexander Lichter * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/thealexlichter.com] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://www.lichter.io/] --- Links marked with * are affiliate links. We get a small commission when you register for the service through our link. This helps us to keep the podcast running. We only include affiliate links for services mentioned in the episode or that we use ourselves.

In this episode of DejaVue, Alex and Michael are joined by Jared Wilcurt, UI architect and open source contributor, to get knee-deep into the world of testing in Vue.js, especially Snapshot Testing. Jared shares his journey from React frustration to Vue enthusiasm, and explains how he identified gaps in Vue's testing ecosystem that led to the creation of his Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer library. No matter if you are a testing novice, wondering why you should bother with tests at all, or an experienced developer looking to improve your snapshot testing workflow, this episode got something for you - from reducing test noise, improving readability, and gaining confidence in your Vue applications and components. Discover how snapshot testing complements traditional assertion-based tests and why it might be the missing piece in your testing strategy. Enjoy the episode! Our Guest The Jared Wilcurt * Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer [https://github.com/tjw-lint/vue3-snapshot-serializer] * Website [https://thejaredwilcurt.com/] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/thejaredwilcurt.bsky.social] * Twitter [https://x.com/TheJaredWilcurt] Chapters * (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue * (00:20) - How did you get into Programming? * (05:20) - Learning Vue * (09:46) - Finding gaps in the ecosystem * (12:40) - What is unit testing? * (21:40) - Testing in the frontend * (25:31) - Snapshot Testing * (29:45) - Snapshot Updating Fatigue * (36:09) - Responsibilities & ROI of a Snapshot Test * (42:46) - Using the Snapshot Serializer * (46:40) - Snapshot vs. Visual Regression Testing * (52:57) - A good tip from Daniel Roe * (53:50) - Further Noise Reduction * (01:01:22) - A tighter integration? * (01:05:11) - Wrapping up Links and Resources * Riot JS [https://riot.js.org/] * Vue Indy Meetup [https://www.meetup.com/vuejsindy/] * Vue Doxen [https://github.com/TheJaredWilcurt/vue-doxen] * Old Jest Snapshot Serializer [https://github.com/eddyerburgh/jest-serializer-vue] * Vue Test Utils [https://github.com/vuejs/test-utils/] * Testing Library Vue [https://github.com/testing-library/vue-testing-library] * Playwright [https://playwright.dev/] * Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer [https://github.com/tjw-lint/vue3-snapshot-serializer] * DejaVue #E043 - The Year in ReVue (with Daniel Roe) [https://share.transistor.fm/s/2dd8fbad] Your Hosts Michael Thiessen * Twitter [https://twitter.com/MichaelThiessen] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://michaelnthiessen.com/] Alexander Lichter * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/thealexlichter.com] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://www.lichter.io/] --- Links marked with * are affiliate links. We get a small commission when you register for the service through our link. This helps us to keep the podcast running. We only include affiliate links for services mentioned in the episode or that we use ourselves.

In this episode of DejaVue, Alex sits down with James Garbutt, open source maintainer and lead of the e18e initiative. James shares his journey from writing web scrapers as a teenager to maintaining critical JavaScript libraries like parse5 or Chokidar and eventually co-creating the ecosystem performance initiative. The conversation is then all around e18e, which aims to improve performance across the JavaScript ecosystem through three pillars: * Cleaning up dependency trees * Speeding up popular packages * Creating lighter alternatives to bloated libraries James explains how the community-driven approach has produced impressive results all across the web development landscape. Learn about real-world examples of performance improvements, including replacement packages like tinyglobby and nano-staged, and discover how to contribute to e18e even if you're new to open source. James shares also insights on balancing between backward compatibility and performance, bundling dependencies, and also shares future plans for e18e in 2025. Enjoy the episode! Our Guest James "43081j" Garbutt * e18e [https://e18e.dev/] * Website [https://43081j.com/] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/43081j.com/] Chapters * (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue * (00:34) - Which libraries do you maintain? * (02:10) - How did you get into programming? * (04:57) - What lead you to Vue.js * (06:40) - Not ending up in a framework bubble * (09:41) - Meta frameworks converging * (11:28) - What is e18e? * (15:40) - The purpose of e18e * (18:27) - How to participate? * (20:38) - Are there prerequisites? * (23:59) - Ripple effects from e18e improving the ecosystem * (26:36) - Helping other projects migrate * (30:27) - Considering backwards compatibility * (35:50) - Example for replacement packages * (37:56) - tinyglobby * (40:40) - Edge cases and modular architecture * (43:49) - Performance pattern and anti pattern * (45:32) - Bundling dependencies * (50:48) - What is planned for e18e in 2025? * (56:39) - How do you lead and structure the e18e initiative? * (01:01:42) - Anything else we didn't cover? * (01:02:21) - Wrapping up Links and Resources * Parse5 [https://github.com/inikulin/parse5] * Doom in TypeScript [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mCsluv5FXA] * Flappy Bird in TS [https://zackoverflow.dev/writing/flappy-bird-in-type-level-typescript/] * LitElement [https://lit.dev/] * Speeding up the ecosystem [https://marvinh.dev/blog/speeding-up-javascript-ecosystem/] blog post series by Marvin Hagemeister * e18e issue overview [https://github.com/e18e/ecosystem-issues] * e18e Discord [https://chat.e18e.dev/] * minizlib install size improvements [https://bsky.app/profile/43081j.com/post/3llov3jqbdc2t] * Storybook dependency tree reduction [https://bsky.app/profile/storybook.js.org/post/3larex2x42s2q] * e18e module replacement repository [https://github.com/es-tooling/module-replacements] * Anthony Fu's node_modules inspector [https://node-modules.dev/] * Publint [https://publint.dev/] by Bjorn Lu * Umbrella CLI [https://github.com/e18e/reporter] * nano-staged [https://github.com/usmanyunusov/nano-staged] (instead of lint-staged) * npm-run-all2 [https://github.com/bcomnes/npm-run-all2] * eslint-import-plugin-x [https://github.com/un-ts/eslint-plugin-import-x] (instead of eslint-plugin-import) * tinyglobby [https://github.com/SuperchupuDev/tinyglobby/] (instead of any other glob lib like globby/fast-glob) * fdir [https://github.com/thecodrr/fdir] * Vite Devtools announcement [https://voidzero.dev/posts/voidzero-nuxtlabs-vite-devtools] * Bundling dependencies (and when not to do it) [https://e18e.dev/blog/bundling-dependencies.html] * A lighter Nuxt CLI [https://github.com/nuxt/cli/issues/648] Your Hosts Alexander Lichter * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/thealexlichter.com] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@michaelnthiessen] * Website [https://www.lichter.io/] --- Links marked with * are affiliate links. We get a small commission when you register for the service through our link. This helps us to keep the podcast running. We only include affiliate links for services mentioned in the episode or that we use ourselves.