423: Kent Kohli is Always in Pursuit of a More Excellent Way

425: DLAT 2026 Part 2 with Tony Aliatim, Rebekah Serrago, Chris Wilson, Antoine Coppens, & Christian Saurman

HELLO VOICES FROM THE BENCH COMMUNITY, JOHN WILSON [https://sunrisedentallaboratory.com/] HERE AND I WANTED TO SHARE SOME NEWS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE PROGRAMILL LINEUP. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IVOCLAR [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us]’S NEW PROGRAMILL 7 [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-equipment/programill-pm7]. WHAT STANDS OUT RIGHT AWAY IS THE REDUCED AIR CONSUMPTION THIS MILL REQUIRES, BUT WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE FIRST IS THAT IMPRESSIVE NEW TOUCHSCREEN. FOR US, THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE HAS BEEN INCREASED SPINDLE POWER. MY LABORATORY'S KNOWN FOR THESE LARGER CASES WITH COMPLEX GEOMETRIES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT EXTRA POWER REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. NEXT TIME YOU SEE YOUR IVOCLAR REPRESENTATIVE, BE SURE TO ASK ABOUT THE PROGRAMILL 7 AND TELL THEM JOHN WILSON SENT YOU. THANK YOU. ---------------------------------------- AT EXOCAD INSIGHTS IN BEAUTIFUL MALLORCA, WE FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH FELIX FROM IMAGINE USA [https://www.imagineusa.com/]—AND THE TIMING COULDN’T HAVE BEEN BETTER. AS AN EXOCAD DEALER ON THE FRONT LINES OF DIGITAL DENTISTRY, FELIX SHARED HIS EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE STRONG TURNOUT, THE FAMILIAR FACES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE INNOVATION COMING FROM EXOCAD. WHAT STOOD OUT MOST? THE NEW EXOCAD HUB AND ITS CLOUD-BASED CAPABILITIES, ALONG WITH POWERFUL AI-DRIVEN TOOLS INSIDE DENTALDB DESIGNED FOR EFFICIENT BATCH PROCESSING. FOR FELIX AND THE IMAGINE TEAM, IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT SEEING WHAT’S NEW—IT’S ABOUT PUTTING IT TO THE TEST. BY RUNNING NEW FEATURES THROUGH THEIR OWN PRODUCTION FACILITY FIRST, THEY ENSURE REAL-WORLD PERFORMANCE BEFORE BRINGING SOLUTIONS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. BEYOND THE TECHNOLOGY, FELIX EMPHASIZED THE VALUE OF BEING THERE IN PERSON—CONNECTING FACE-TO-FACE WITH PARTNERS, HAVING MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS, AND STEPPING BACK TO SEE WHERE THE INDUSTRY IS HEADED. AND OF COURSE, DOING IT ALL IN MALLORCA DOESN’T HURT EITHER. This week at the Dental Laboratory Association of Texas [https://dlat.wildapricot.org/] Meeting 2026, the microphones stayed hot as three completely different conversations all circled around the same thing: how fast the dental lab industry is evolving. First up, the crew sat down with Tony Aliatim from Axis Dental Milling [https://axismilling.com/] to talk about going from biomedical engineering and printing silicone heart models for surgeons… to becoming one of the go-to names in dental milling. From industrial machining roots in Michigan to AI-powered calibration systems and Straumann plug-and-play workflows, Tony breaks down how VersaMill machines are helping labs mill everything from zirconia to implant abutments faster, smarter, and safer. Along the way, the conversation dives into HyperDent, trade show madness, wet vs dry milling nightmares, and why dental technicians may not realize how close this industry really is to aerospace-level manufacturing. Then things shifted from mills to maintenance with Rebekah Serrago and Chris Wilson from Garland Dental Services [https://garlanddental.com/]. What started decades ago as a garage-based repair business fixing handpieces has grown into one of the industry’s best-kept secrets for equipment sales, service, and support. Rebekah shares the story of growing up folding flyers for her father’s repair company before eventually becoming CEO and expanding Garland into a massive online sales and service operation supporting everything from ovens to mills. Chris joins in to talk preventative maintenance, service certifications, keeping ancient ovens alive, and why labs desperately need dealers that actually understand the equipment they sell. It’s equal parts family-business story, repair shop wisdom, and hilarious behind-the-scenes dental lab banter. Finally, the future officially arrived when the podcast crew sat down with Antoine Coppens from Relu [https://www.relu.ai/] and orthodontic lab owner Christian Saurman of New England Orthodontic Laboratory [https://neolab.com/]. What started as four engineering students experimenting with AI in Belgium somehow turned into fully automated dental workflows capable of designing surgical guides, night guards, models, and restorations in minutes. The conversation explores how AI is reshaping lab workflows, reducing manual design time, integrating directly into LMS systems, and even learning individual lab preferences. Christian explains how his custom-built orthodontic lab management system helped eliminate workflow chaos and automate huge portions of production, while Antoine gives a fascinating look into where dental AI is headed next. Between AI-generated appliances, automated scan checks, and self-learning workflows, this episode feels less like science fiction and more like a preview of what labs will look like over the next five years. Special Guests: Antoine Coppens, Chris Wilson, Christian Saurman, Rebekah Serrago, and Tony Aliatim.

424: DLAT 2026 Part 1: Ortho Outlaws and Vulcanite Veterans with Jason Dyas & Jim Collis

HELLO VOICES FROM THE BENCH COMMUNITY, JOHN WILSON [https://sunrisedentallaboratory.com/] HERE AND I WANTED TO SHARE SOME NEWS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE PROGRAMILL LINEUP. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IVOCLAR [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us]’S NEW PROGRAMILL 7 [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-equipment/programill-pm7]. WHAT STANDS OUT RIGHT AWAY IS THE REDUCED AIR CONSUMPTION THIS MILL REQUIRES, BUT WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE FIRST IS THAT IMPRESSIVE NEW TOUCHSCREEN. FOR US, THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE HAS BEEN INCREASED SPINDLE POWER. MY LABORATORY'S KNOWN FOR THESE LARGER CASES WITH COMPLEX GEOMETRIES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT EXTRA POWER REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. NEXT TIME YOU SEE YOUR IVOCLAR REPRESENTATIVE, BE SURE TO ASK ABOUT THE PROGRAMILL 7 AND TELL THEM JOHN WILSON SENT YOU. THANK YOU. ---------------------------------------- AT EXOCAD INSIGHTS IN BEAUTIFUL MALLORCA, WE FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH FELIX FROM IMAGINE USA [https://www.imagineusa.com/]—AND THE TIMING COULDN’T HAVE BEEN BETTER. AS AN EXOCAD DEALER ON THE FRONT LINES OF DIGITAL DENTISTRY, FELIX SHARED HIS EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE STRONG TURNOUT, THE FAMILIAR FACES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE INNOVATION COMING FROM EXOCAD. WHAT STOOD OUT MOST? THE NEW EXOCAD HUB AND ITS CLOUD-BASED CAPABILITIES, ALONG WITH POWERFUL AI-DRIVEN TOOLS INSIDE DENTALDB DESIGNED FOR EFFICIENT BATCH PROCESSING. FOR FELIX AND THE IMAGINE TEAM, IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT SEEING WHAT’S NEW—IT’S ABOUT PUTTING IT TO THE TEST. BY RUNNING NEW FEATURES THROUGH THEIR OWN PRODUCTION FACILITY FIRST, THEY ENSURE REAL-WORLD PERFORMANCE BEFORE BRINGING SOLUTIONS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. BEYOND THE TECHNOLOGY, FELIX EMPHASIZED THE VALUE OF BEING THERE IN PERSON—CONNECTING FACE-TO-FACE WITH PARTNERS, HAVING MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS, AND STEPPING BACK TO SEE WHERE THE INDUSTRY IS HEADED. AND OF COURSE, DOING IT ALL IN MALLORCA DOESN’T HURT EITHER. From wire-bending machines and digital ortho workflows to Vulcanite dentures and photogrammetry, this episode from the DLAT [https://dlat.wildapricot.org/] floor is packed with stories, laughs, and a whole lot of dental lab wisdom. First up, the crew sits down with Jason Dyas — better known these days as the man behind Ortho Outlaw [https://orthodonticlabsolutions.com/ortho-outlaw/] and everyone’s favorite outlaw mascot, Clyde. Jason shares his journey from construction work and garage-built orthodontic appliances to running successful ortho labs and diving headfirst into digital technology. What started with fax-machine marketing and Walmart bench grinders eventually evolved into automated wire-bending machines, digital scanning, social media content creation, and a growing mission to help older labs embrace modern workflows instead of shutting their doors. The conversation covers everything from AI-driven ortho tech and the future of wire bending to building a brand, traveling to industry events around the world, and how Ortho Outlaw became one of the most recognizable new names in orthodontic lab social media. Then the podcast catches up with longtime friend of the show Jim Collis for an incredible deep dive into 45 years of dental technology experience. Jim talks about teaching hands-on courses at DLAT, helping labs transition from analog workflows into digital dentures and 3D printing, and why education is still the key to success in modern dentistry. From discussing AI-assisted denture design and automated workflows to reminiscing about fixing Vulcanite dentures and the earliest days of implants, Jim delivers one amazing story after another. Along the way, he shares lessons from his CDT journey, the mentors who shaped his career, his passion for consulting and education, and why he still loves this industry after nearly five decades. It’s equal parts history lesson, technology discussion, and classic Voices From the Bench chaos — complete with Star Trek references, Slurpee stories, and enough off-topic tangents to make Barb proud. Special Guests: Clyde, Jason Dyas, and Jim Collis CDT.

423: Kent Kohli is Always in Pursuit of a More Excellent Way

HELLO VOICES FROM THE BENCH COMMUNITY, JOHN WILSON [https://sunrisedentallaboratory.com/] HERE AND I WANTED TO SHARE SOME NEWS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE PROGRAMILL LINEUP. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IVOCLAR [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us]’S NEW PROGRAMILL 7 [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-equipment/programill-pm7]. WHAT STANDS OUT RIGHT AWAY IS THE REDUCED AIR CONSUMPTION THIS MILL REQUIRES, BUT WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE FIRST IS THAT IMPRESSIVE NEW TOUCHSCREEN. FOR US, THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE HAS BEEN INCREASED SPINDLE POWER. MY LABORATORY'S KNOWN FOR THESE LARGER CASES WITH COMPLEX GEOMETRIES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT EXTRA POWER REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. NEXT TIME YOU SEE YOUR IVOCLAR REPRESENTATIVE, BE SURE TO ASK ABOUT THE PROGRAMILL 7 AND TELL THEM JOHN WILSON SENT YOU. THANK YOU. ---------------------------------------- AT EXOCAD INSIGHTS IN BEAUTIFUL MALLORCA, WE FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH FELIX FROM IMAGINE USA [https://www.imagineusa.com/]—AND THE TIMING COULDN’T HAVE BEEN BETTER. AS AN EXOCAD DEALER ON THE FRONT LINES OF DIGITAL DENTISTRY, FELIX SHARED HIS EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE STRONG TURNOUT, THE FAMILIAR FACES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE INNOVATION COMING FROM EXOCAD. WHAT STOOD OUT MOST? THE NEW EXOCAD HUB AND ITS CLOUD-BASED CAPABILITIES, ALONG WITH POWERFUL AI-DRIVEN TOOLS INSIDE DENTALDB DESIGNED FOR EFFICIENT BATCH PROCESSING. FOR FELIX AND THE IMAGINE TEAM, IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT SEEING WHAT’S NEW—IT’S ABOUT PUTTING IT TO THE TEST. BY RUNNING NEW FEATURES THROUGH THEIR OWN PRODUCTION FACILITY FIRST, THEY ENSURE REAL-WORLD PERFORMANCE BEFORE BRINGING SOLUTIONS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. BEYOND THE TECHNOLOGY, FELIX EMPHASIZED THE VALUE OF BEING THERE IN PERSON—CONNECTING FACE-TO-FACE WITH PARTNERS, HAVING MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS, AND STEPPING BACK TO SEE WHERE THE INDUSTRY IS HEADED. AND OF COURSE, DOING IT ALL IN MALLORCA DOESN’T HURT EITHER. This episode finally brings a long-awaited conversation to life with Kent Kohli, a name many in the industry recognize—but maybe don’t fully know the story behind. From an unexpected entry into dentistry (thanks to marrying his orthodontist’s daughter) to becoming a lifelong student of ceramics and education, Kent’s journey is anything but typical. What starts as a pre-dental path quickly shifts once Kent discovers the lab side of dentistry—and more importantly, where his passion truly lives. From pouring models and grinding metal to studying under legends like John Archibald, Kent shares how mentorship, curiosity, and relentless work ethic shaped his career. Along the way, he opens up about the early struggles—working 100-hour weeks, barely making ends meet, and choosing quality over the “race to the bottom” that burned out many of his peers. Kent dives deep into the evolution of dental technology, from the early days of PFMs and Empress to today’s digital workflows and liquid ceramics. But at the heart of it all is a consistent theme: education. Whether it’s learning from the “giants” of the industry or now helping guide the next generation through his role at Ivoclar, Kent sees it as a responsibility to pass on what was given to him. He also shares insights into his current mission—bringing hands-on education back to the forefront, blending traditional techniques with modern materials, and helping technicians elevate their craft beyond just production. RISING COSTS, TIGHTER DEADLINES, AND GREATER DEMANDS ARE CHALLENGING LABS EVERYWHERE. WHEN EFFICIENCY MATTERS, YOU NEED TOOLS THAT DELIVER—EVERY DAY. ROLAND DGSHAPE [https://www.rolanddga.com/products/dental/dwx-series] MILLING SOLUTIONS ARE RELIABLE AND EASY TO USE. JUST TURN THEM ON AND LET THEM RUN—NO BABYSITTING REQUIRED. FEWER REMAKES AND LESS WASTED MATERIAL MEAN YOUR TEAM CAN FOCUS ON GETTING CASES OUT THE DOOR. WITH THE ELEVATE DENTURE SOLUTION, STEP INTO DIGITAL DENTURES WITHOUT DISRUPTING YOUR WORKFLOW. VALIDATED CAM STRATEGIES AND IVOCLAR COMPATIBILITY MEAN YOU'RE BUILDING ON A SYSTEM YOU ALREADY TRUST. READY TO BOOST EFFICIENCY? EXPLORE DG SHAPE DWX MILLING SOLUTIONS AND THE ELEVATE DENTAL SOLUTION AT ROLANDDENTAL.COM. Special Guest: Kent Kohli.

422: Renata Bundy, Roberto Rossi, & Eugene Vega: The Never Ending Education in a Dental Lab

HEY VOICES FROM THE BENCH COMMUNITY! JESSICA LOVE HERE, SENDING A SHOUTOUT FROM UTAH! IF YOU’RE PASSIONATE ABOUT CREATING NATURAL, BEAUTIFUL SMILES—BUT WANT TO SIMPLIFY YOUR WORKFLOW WITHOUT SACRIFICING AESTHETICS—THIS IS FOR YOU. I’M HONORED TO BE PART OF IVOCLAR [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us]’S DEVELOPMENT TEAM INTRODUCING A POWERFUL NEW STAIN AND GLAZE SYSTEM FEATURING STRUCTURE PASTE, IPS E.MAX CERAM ART [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/veneering-materials/ips-e.max-ceram-art]. CREATE STUNNING DEPTH AND LIFELIKE COLOR IN AS LITTLE AS ONE FIRING. LET’S CONTINUE TO INNOVATE, SIMPLIFY, AND CREATE MEANINGFUL CHANGE—ONE SMILE AT A TIME. ---------------------------------------- CAM HAS BEEN A MAJOR TOPIC LATELY, AND A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION KEEPS COMING BACK TO HYPERDENT [https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/]. BUT INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SOFTWARE ITSELF, IT’S WORTH LOOKING AT REAL-WORLD EXPERIENCE. IMAGINE USA [https://www.imagineusa.com/] HAS BEEN USING HYPERDENT IN THEIR OWN LAB FOR OVER 15 YEARS. THAT KIND OF LONGEVITY SAYS A LOT—THEY’RE NOT JUST SELLING AND SUPPORTING IT, THEY’RE RELYING ON IT IN THEIR OWN PRODUCTION EVERY SINGLE DAY. THAT’S WHAT REALLY SETS THEM APART. This week’s episode brings it full circle as Elvis reconnects with one of the podcast’s very first guests, Renata Bundy, now a longtime professor at New York City College of Technology. Along with her are two technicians who represent both sides of the journey—lab owner Roberto Rossi and workflow master Eugene Vega—creating a conversation that dives deep into education, mentorship, and what it really takes to succeed in today’s dental lab world. Roberto shares his unlikely path from working sanitation in New York to building a thriving lab, Synergy Dental Studio, over nearly three decades. With a relentless focus on quality, constant improvement, and embracing digital (while still questioning it), he explains how his lab has grown into a tight-knit, high-level operation. Eugene adds perspective from inside the lab, describing his evolution from student to managing daily workflow, highlighting how important environment, mentorship, and work ethic are when transitioning from school to real-world production. Renata ties it all together from the educational side, reflecting on over 20 years of teaching and how the program has evolved alongside the industry—from analog fundamentals to digital workflows—while still preparing students for the realities they’ll face after graduation. The group doesn’t shy away from the tough truths either: low starting pay, steep learning curves, and the high dropout rate among new technicians. But the message is clear—stick with it, find the right lab, and the opportunity is there. It’s a conversation about growth, grit, and the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people—whether that’s in the classroom or the lab. And if nothing else, you’ll learn that a little Italian lunch might just be the secret to building a loyal team. Special Guests: Eugene Vega, Renata Budny, CDT, TE, and Roberto Rossi.

421: Katherine Steinbock-Dyke: From Girl Scout Cookies to CEO of Whip Mix

HEY VOICES FROM THE BENCH COMMUNITY! JESSICA LOVE HERE, SENDING A SHOUTOUT FROM UTAH! IF YOU’RE PASSIONATE ABOUT CREATING NATURAL, BEAUTIFUL SMILES—BUT WANT TO SIMPLIFY YOUR WORKFLOW WITHOUT SACRIFICING AESTHETICS—THIS IS FOR YOU. I’M HONORED TO BE PART OF IVOCLAR [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us]’S DEVELOPMENT TEAM INTRODUCING A POWERFUL NEW STAIN AND GLAZE SYSTEM FEATURING STRUCTURE PASTE, IPS E.MAX CERAM ART [https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/veneering-materials/ips-e.max-ceram-art]. CREATE STUNNING DEPTH AND LIFELIKE COLOR IN AS LITTLE AS ONE FIRING. LET’S CONTINUE TO INNOVATE, SIMPLIFY, AND CREATE MEANINGFUL CHANGE—ONE SMILE AT A TIME. ---------------------------------------- CAM HAS BEEN A MAJOR TOPIC LATELY, AND A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION KEEPS COMING BACK TO HYPERDENT [https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/]. BUT INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SOFTWARE ITSELF, IT’S WORTH LOOKING AT REAL-WORLD EXPERIENCE. IMAGINE USA [https://www.imagineusa.com/] HAS BEEN USING HYPERDENT IN THEIR OWN LAB FOR OVER 15 YEARS. THAT KIND OF LONGEVITY SAYS A LOT—THEY’RE NOT JUST SELLING AND SUPPORTING IT, THEY’RE RELYING ON IT IN THEIR OWN PRODUCTION EVERY SINGLE DAY. THAT’S WHAT REALLY SETS THEM APART. This week, Elvis and Barb sits down with Katherine Steinbock-Dyke of Whip Mix [https://whipmix.com/] to talk legacy, leadership, and the evolution of a family-run powerhouse in the dental industry. As part of the Steinbock lineage, Katherine shares what it was like growing up around the business—from selling Girl Scout cookies on the shop floor to eventually stepping into the CEO role. Her journey wasn’t a straight line, starting instead in international business and corporate HR before finding her way back to Whip Mix and working her way through multiple roles across the company. The conversation dives into the realities of running a multi-generational company in a rapidly changing industry. Katherine talks about balancing tradition with innovation, from gypsum and articulators to digital workflows and resin development. She opens up about the challenges of staying relevant, the importance of continuous improvement (hello, WIN program), and what it really means to lead a team she genuinely cares about. Along the way, there’s plenty of classic bench banter—everything from assembling pizzas at Papa John’s to the chaos of early 3D printing workflows and navigating massive trade shows like IDS. The episode wraps with a look at where Whip Mix is headed, Katherine’s focus on reconnecting with labs and customers, and how the next generation is shaping the future of dental manufacturing while respecting its roots. Special Guest: Katherine Steinbock-Dyke.