What It's Like To Be You

Anna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) returns for a second conversation—this time reflecting on the shifts she's experienced since our last recording. We begin with a live performance of her original song Wings for the Heart, a piece that emerged in the wake of personal rupture and now stands as both witness and balm. What follows is a layered exploration of emotional fragmentation, the disorienting effects of internal and external turbulence, and the slow, deliberate work of reweaving oneself from the inside out. Anna speaks candidly about a transformative road trip with her family that cracked something open—making space for parts of herself she’d long kept at bay. We discuss the cost of emotional suppression, the subtle tensions in relational dynamics, and the grounded power that comes from living with greater authenticity. What emerges is the portrait of a Nine learning to inhabit her full aliveness, not by transcending conflict but by letting all the pieces have a seat at the table. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ [https://theenneagramschool.com/] Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course [https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course] Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ [https://www.enneagrammer.com/] Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994] House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Intro 7:31 - Following the bird song, the healing power of music, Performance of 'Wings for the Heart' 16:20 - Embracing vulnerability in art, heart receiving, a 9 in her element 20:36 - 9s line to 3, saturating a space with energy, showing up as 'I Am' 23:10 - Reflections since the previous interview, coping between internal and external world, "competency cringe" 28:03 - Noticing 'numbness' in presence, self-location versus fragmented states, 'needing time to arrive' 36:03 - Incongruences with life force, realignment with self by taking on a solid form, family road trip 47:43 - Not having a backlog of emotions or rage, 'bigness' of 9, transforming the need to manage oneself 52:34 - Embracing conflict and personal sovereignty, living in the space between myself and others 55:28 - Journaling/posting during travel leads to finding inner voice and framing of experience, feeling at home in my world 61:15 - Parenting with presence and clarity, "I'm more than just 'mom'", allowing struggles to exist in a child's life 01:08:30 - Integration of different threads of self, congruence within relationships 01:11:43 - Surrendering to self-authenticity, attachment dynamics shifting, a new energetic body 01:23:04 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ [https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/] Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ [https://pixabay.com/] --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9

Bjarne is an SO/SP 8w9 with 3w2 and 6w7 fixes, though in this episode, he questions whether he might be a core Six. What emerges regardless is a portrait of a powerful, self-directed psyche shaped by an early awareness of exploitation, corruption, the failure of collective systems to protect the dignity of life. From political dreams as a child to his drive to awaken others to their own strength, Bjarne speaks about what it means to live with a sense of self-respect and moral propulsion. We talk about betrayal and its lasting scar: how one relational rupture cost him his emotional faith in others, replacing it with vigilance and paranoia. We also explore the engine behind his ambition, his disdain for comfort zones, and the sadness he feels watching others give up on their dreams. Despite his tough exterior, what drives him is a longing to ignite others into action and distribute his own fire so that others might reclaim their agency. This is a conversation about will, self-respect, the cost of vigilance, and the restless drive to feel truly alive. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ [https://theenneagramschool.com/] Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course [https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course] Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ [https://www.enneagrammer.com/] Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994] House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram [https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram]    TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 02:33 - What it means to ‘be excited’, decided which emotions are experienced 10:19 - Cut off from vulnerability causes inauthentic connection with others; the significance of self-betrayal 12:57 - Bjarne’s core 6 theory; ruling with anxiety. Clarifying ‘being taken advantage of’ 15:23 - Corruption, weakness, and politics 16:52 - An instinctual repulsion over disrespect of life 25:31 - Social 8 helping others see their power, recognizing individual impact can be a way of carrying on legacy 29:12 - Personal peeve on people asking for reassurance 32:44 - Taking risks, not being a slave to the system 40:27 - Self-actualization and potential; 836 trifix outlook of ‘this is what you have, this is what you work with’ 42:03 - Emotional impacts and processing of being betrayed 53:15 - The personal importance and societal use of ‘diplomacy’ 59:08 - 8’s boundlessness of motivation and reserves of energy 1:07:12 - ‘Vivifying’ the collective, channeling energy into others’ potential 1:17:25 - Outro   CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine  Edited by Kristen Oberly  Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay  Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/  Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/  ---  #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram5

Moses Williams (SO/SP 5w6 513) returns for a third and unexpected installment. After the emotional closing of our last conversation, the relationship he spoke about fell apart, and Moses recorded this solo reflection as a final statement. It’s part post-mortem, part self-reckoning, and it is beautifully 5: heady, searching, at times heartbreakingly tender. He names where things broke down, what it showed him about his patterns, and how he’s choosing to move forward. What begins as a Five’s attempt to diagnose and understand becomes something more vulnerable: a young person figuring out how to keep their heart open after loss.    LINKS   Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/   Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course   Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/   Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994   House of Enneagram https://youtube.com/@houseofenneagram⁩  [https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UCPiABQQQE4Ret7cwmy-GmRA]     CREDITS  Interview by Josh Lavine   Edited by Kristen Oberly   Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay   Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/   Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/    ---   #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram5

Moses Williams (SO/SP 5w6 513) is back for round two, and we dive straight into what he calls “the mortifying stuff.” We explore the dissonance of being autistic and socially wired — craving connection but feeling like a fish trying to fly. Moses speaks candidly about navigating sexual arousal alongside the fear of being seen as creepy or delusional, and what it’s like to experience intense desire as someone who’s sexual blind. He names his instinct to hide, control, and strategize, and what happens when that scaffolding starts to crack. We talk about being a triple competency type (513), the impulse to do everything alone, and the sharp suspicion that other people just get in the way. But then something unexpected happens: Moses softens. What starts as a conversation about childhood patterns and self-analysis ends in a rare emotional opening, as Moses entertains the dangerous hope that someone might actually want to stay. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ [https://theenneagramschool.com/] Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course [https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course] Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ [https://www.enneagrammer.com/] Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994] House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/ [https://www.youtube.com/@UCPiABQQQE4Ret7cwmy-GmRA]@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 11:33 - Differentiating type 5 and autism 22:09 - Social needs and a fascination with psychology 24:44 - Moses shares personal stories relating to early forms of type structure 32:33 - Giving sexual preferences space as opposed to suppressing 42:00 - Taking responsibility for the self 47:03 - Type 5 expanding on the obsession with animals 54:54 - Social hexad displaying ‘shocking’ parts up front 59:20 - Triple competency’s reliance on self and mistrust in others 1:07:49 - The spirit of collaboration as a competency type 1:15:03 - Releasing hope hiding underneath strategy 1:31:24 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ [https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/] Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ [https://pixabay.com/] --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram5

Moses Williams is an 18-year-old Social/Self-Pres 5w6 who is also on the autism spectrum. Moses describes growing up feeling that adults were hiding the truth, that essential information was missing, and that everyone else somehow knew how to be human in a way he didn’t. We talk about his often obsessive fascination with taboo topics—pornography, sexual deviance, violence—not to provoke, but to answer the horrifying question: “Am I stupid for not knowing this already?” He recounts a personal collapse that left him with three options: become a sanitized version of himself, disappear entirely, or dismantle and reform collective assumptions entirely. This conversation also explores intellectual separatism, the pressure to adapt to norms that feel senseless, and the slow, reluctant emergence of a heart that wants something real. This episode contains references to pornography, sexual deviance, and suicide. Listener discretion advised.   LINKS   Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/  Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course   Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/   Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994   House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@houseofenneagram⁩  [https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UCPiABQQQE4Ret7cwmy-GmRA]     TIMESTAMPS  00:00 - Intro   02:56 - Introduction to enneagram, being a loner, interested in psychology to understand people   06:20 - Animals animals animals and being intrigued by fear   09:37 - Family background, being introduced to the internet, questioning traditional beliefs   13:17 - Stigmas around sex and sexuality, parsing through frameworks of deviancy   15:52 - Reading provocative books, fascination through frustration and not being naive, needing obsessions   22:56 - ‘Worst moment of life’, social incompetence   28:08 - Difficulty adapting, doing it ‘my way’ and making it work, “the way I do teamwork is by not working with people”   31:54 - Trying to figure out place in the world, ‘becoming sanitized’, stripping out people’s assumptions   35:35 - Power dynamics, finding compatibility   42:09 - Conceptualizing an ideal world, determinism, looking for something real   45:47 - Social relationships allow ‘getting to the heart’, loneliness and regret   50:23 - Being more competent at relationships, fear of feelings influencing self-image   58:51 - Realizing when type 5 isn’t actually talking about themselves, speaking about people in an abstraction   1:05:40 - Differing energies with self and others, divine resonating frequencies, obsessions   1:09:04 - Coming out story, viewing family as a collection of people forced to live together, “this is who I am, deal with it”   1:17:22 - Transformation of current social dynamics, ‘shutting up’, finding the people who ‘tolerate me’   1:23:22 - Differences between being on the autism spectrum and being a type 5   1:30:57 - Outro    CREDITS  Interview by Josh Lavine   Edited by Kristen Oberly   Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay   Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/   Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/    ---   #enneagram #enneagramtype  #enneagram5