Bonus: The Importance of Swear Words, Vulnerability, and Learning To Say What You Need

Bonus: What We Believe Now, That Childbirth Scene, and Remembering Rachel Held Evans

Author Addie Zierman [https://addiezierman.com/] talks about her complicated relationship with Christianity now and why she stepped back from writing publicly for several years. Audio drama creator Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/] and voiceover artist Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/] join her to reminisce about one of the most memorable scenes from episode 4, and our favorite memories from the audio drama Listening Party in 2019. Join us for one more trip down memory lane as we talk about the past, present, and future of our spiritual and creative journeys. Learn more about Rachel Held Evans and her legacy [https://rachelheldevans.com/]. We also mentioned the Camino de Santiago pilgrimage [https://santiago-compostela.net/]. This full-cast audio drama is based on the book When We Were on Fire: A Memoir of Consuming Faith, Tangled Love, and Starting Over [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/the-book] by Addie Zierman, and was dramatized, directed, produced, and sound designed by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/]. You can reach Lizzie at lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com [lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com?subject=When%20We%20Were%20on%20Fire%20Audio%20Drama] Original music was composed by Frank Sheffield [https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-sheffield-a35018170]. Podcast cover art by Skylar White [https://www.instagram.com/skyillustrates/]. Full credits for this podcast are here [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/cast-crew]. You can find out more about this production and the cast and crew at whenwewereonfirepodcast.com [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/], as well as on Facebook [https://www.fb.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast], and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast]. Follow Addie’s work at addiezierman.com [https://addiezierman.com/] and addiezierman.substack.com [https://addiezierman.substack.com/], and stay in touch with Aria at ariasvoice.com [https://www.ariasvoice.com/] Special thanks to Addie Zierman, Aria Sivick, Miranda Gardner, and the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University. “Your Local Time Travelers [https://shows.acast.com/your-local-time-travelers]” is a science fiction podcast created by Heidi Fischer that’s about a time-traveling influencer and pilot who crash-land in a 2025 Baptist church.

Part Four: Redemption

On the other side of her darkest year, Addie Zierman [https://addiezierman.com/] faces the demons from her past and decides what to hold on to and what to let go of as she moves into a new stage of her life. This full-cast audio drama is based on the book When We Were on Fire: A Memoir of Consuming Faith, Tangled Love, and Starting Over [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/the-book] by Addie Zierman. Created by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/], it is being released in collaboration with Addie [https://addiezierman.com/]. Cast (in order of appearance): * Joseph Davison-O’Gorman…ALISSA * Grace Shaw…KIM * Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/]…ADDIE * Dusean [https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1927392/] Williams [https://www.linkedin.com/in/cduseanwilliams/]…NIGHT MANAGER * Lawson Cade [https://rlawsoncade.com/]…COFFEE SHOP GUY * Levingston Lewis [https://www.levingstonlewis.com/]…SERVER 2 * Shakari Williams…JENN * Mikell DiGiorgio…THERAPIST * Will DeVito [https://will-devito.com/]…CHRIS * Josh Pitta [https://joshpitta.com/]…ANDREW * Ellen Noel…DOCTOR * Jacob Bellotti [https://www.instagram.com/jacobbellotti]…NICODEMUS * Tina Perkins [https://www.perkprod.com/]…SHEILA * Ashleigh Carter…MINDY * Michael DiGiorgio…PASTOR CARL * Urban…DANE   Dr. Robert Jay Lifton [https://www.robertjaylifton.com], who was mentioned in this episode, popularized the term "thought-terminating cliché." This production was dramatized, directed, produced, and sound designed by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/]. You can reach Lizzie at lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com [lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com?subject=When%20We%20Were%20on%20Fire%20Audio%20Drama] Original music was composed by Frank Sheffield [https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-sheffield-a35018170], with additional music from APM Music [https://www.apmmusic.com/libraries/omni-music-library], as well as “Silent Night” by Kevin MacLeod [http://incompetech.com/], which is licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/]. Bible pages sound effect from vdm.r [https://freesound.org/people/vdm.r/sounds/404003/]. Podcast cover art by Skylar White [https://www.instagram.com/skyillustrates/]. Individual episode art and poetry by Jamie Bonilla [https://www.jamiebonilla.com/]. See the full text of the poem [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/found-poetry/part-four-redemption] inspired by this episode. Full credits for this podcast can be found here [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/cast-crew]. You can find out more about this production and the cast and crew at whenwewereonfirepodcast.com [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/], as well as on Facebook [https://www.fb.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast], and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast]. Follow Addie’s work at addiezierman.com [https://addiezierman.com/] and addiezierman.substack.com [https://addiezierman.substack.com/]. Special thanks to Addie Zierman, Aria Sivick, Miranda Gardner, and the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University. CONTENT WARNING: Pregnancy, childbirth, strong language, and religious trauma. "Rock That Doesn't Roll" [https://pod.link/1703257857] is an award-winning podcast hosted by Dr. Leah Payne and Andrew Gill that looks at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now by talking with artists, industry figures and critics who have some connection to the contemporary Christian music industry.

Bonus: The Importance of Swear Words, Vulnerability, and Learning To Say What You Need

It took an incredible amount of vulnerability for Addie Zierman [https://addiezierman.com/] to write about her hardest year — and to revisit it now. Addie is joined by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/] and voice actor Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/] to talk about how she got to that place … and how she made it through. Plus, the role of swearing in this story, being a pick-me girl, and what it’s like portraying someone who’s in a dark place. Come to the Listening Party at Stella’s Coffee Haus in Denver on Nov. 5! Find out more and RSVP here [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/when-we-were-on-fire-audio-drama-listening-party-tickets-1842028339349]. This full-cast audio drama is based on the book When We Were on Fire: A Memoir of Consuming Faith, Tangled Love, and Starting Over [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/the-book] by Addie Zierman, and was dramatized, directed, produced, and sound designed by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/]. You can reach Lizzie at lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com [lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com?subject=When%20We%20Were%20on%20Fire%20Audio%20Drama] Original music was composed by Frank Sheffield [https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-sheffield-a35018170]. Podcast cover art by Skylar White [https://www.instagram.com/skyillustrates/]. Full credits for this podcast are here [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/cast-crew]. Episode 3 clips feature Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/], who can also be heard in the episode 4 sneak peek alongside R. Lawson Cade [http://rlawsoncade.com/]. Episode 4 comes out on Nov. 5! You can find out more about this production and the cast and crew at whenwewereonfirepodcast.com [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/], as well as on Facebook [https://www.fb.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast], and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast]. Follow Addie’s work at addiezierman.com [https://addiezierman.com/] and addiezierman.substack.com [https://addiezierman.substack.com/]. Special thanks to Addie Zierman, Aria Sivick, Miranda Gardner, and the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University.

Part Three: Rebellion

Addie Zierman [https://addiezierman.com/] is depressed, angry at the Church People, and feeling lost in her life, her faith, and her marriage. What will it take for her to find her way back? Is going back even possible? This full-cast audio drama is based on the book When We Were on Fire: A Memoir of Consuming Faith, Tangled Love, and Starting Over [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/the-book] by Addie Zierman. Created by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/], it is being released in collaboration with Addie [https://addiezierman.com/]. This movie from 2007 [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062] was mentioned. Mental health and substance abuse resources: * 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline [https://988lifeline.org/] * Substance Abuse and Addition Hotline [https://drughelpline.org/] * Alcoholics Anonymous [https://www.aa.org/] Cast (in order of appearance): * Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/]…ADDIE * Matt Farrelly…LIQUOR STORE CLERK * Levingston Lewis [https://www.levingstonlewis.com/]…BARISTA 1 * Tamar Turner [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsZCEjmjRcpQ23koyOzDpzg]…NEWSCASTER 3 * Ashleigh Carter…MINDY * Tina Perkins [https://perkprod.com/]…SHEILA * Jonathan Schaefer [https://www.jonfoolery.com/]…BARISTA 2 / TODD * Josh Pitta [https://joshpitta.com/]…ANDREW * Shakari Williams…Jenn * Michael DiGiorgio…SERVER 1 * Brendan Weaver [https://www.instagram.com/likebrendan]…MILES * Matt Sampere [https://creepingdeathmovie.com/]…BRAD * Kayla Burton…KAYLA * Melissa Chessher [https://www.smu.edu/meadows/areasofstudy/journalism/faculty/chesshermelissa]…MARRIAGE COUNSELOR * Grace Shaw…KIM * Joseph Davison-O’Gorman…ALISSA * Mikell DiGiorgio…THERAPIST   This production was dramatized, directed, produced, and sound designed by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/]. You can reach Lizzie at lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com [lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com?subject=When%20We%20Were%20on%20Fire%20Audio%20Drama] Original music was composed by Frank Sheffield [https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-sheffield-a35018170], with additional music from APM Music [https://www.apmmusic.com/libraries/omni-music-library]. Pet store sound effects from barcelonetasonora [https://freesound.org/people/barcelonetasonora/sounds/240185/], Quintus [https://freesound.org/people/Quintus/sounds/460204/], ryanlouis [https://freesound.org/people/ryanlouis/sounds/366984/], n_audioman [https://freesound.org/people/n_audioman/sounds/325478/], 18hiltc [https://freesound.org/people/18hiltc/sounds/264833/], and 170084 [https://freesound.org/people/170084/sounds/408200/]. Podcast cover art by Skylar White [https://www.instagram.com/skyillustrates/]. Individual episode art and poetry by Jamie Bonilla [https://www.jamiebonilla.com/]. See the full text of the poem [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/found-poetry/part-three-rebellion] inspired by this episode. Full credits for this podcast can be found here [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/cast-crew]. You can find out more about this production and the cast and crew at whenwewereonfirepodcast.com [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/], as well as on Facebook [https://www.fb.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast], and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast]. Follow Addie’s work at addiezierman.com [https://addiezierman.com/] and addiezierman.substack.com [https://addiezierman.substack.com/]. Special thanks to Addie Zierman, Aria Sivick, Miranda Gardner, and the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University. CONTENT WARNING: Strong language, substance abuse, depression, and near-infidelity

Bonus: It Is Not Well With My Soul, Deconstruction Origin Stories, and Life Imitating Art

For audio drama creator Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/], her faith deconstruction experience started on the floor of a church in England during her Youth with a Mission [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_With_A_Mission] trip. For When We Were on Fire [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/the-book] author Addie Zierman [https://www.addiezierman.com/], it came from a deep feeling of never belonging. Lizzie and Addie are joined by voice actor Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/] to talk about community, their fraught relationships with church, and the riskiest creative choice Lizzie made in episode two. We mentioned the Amazon docuseries Shiny Happy People [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27715627] (particularly its season 1 focus on Bill Gothard [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gothard] and the IBLP [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_in_Basic_Life_Principles]), as well as the hymn “It Is Well [https://hymnary.org/text/when_peace_like_a_river_attendeth_my_way]” and previous episodes [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/episodes/] of this podcast. This full-cast audio drama is based on the book When We Were on Fire: A Memoir of Consuming Faith, Tangled Love, and Starting Over [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/the-book] by Addie Zierman, and was dramatized, directed, produced, and sound designed by Lizzie Goldsmith [https://www.lizziegoldsmith.com/]. You can reach Lizzie at lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com [lizziegoldsmithproductions@gmail.com?subject=When%20We%20Were%20on%20Fire%20Audio%20Drama] Original music was composed by Frank Sheffield [https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-sheffield-a35018170]. Podcast cover art by Skylar White [https://www.instagram.com/skyillustrates/]. Full credits for this podcast are here [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/cast-crew]. Episode 2 clips feature Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/], Josh Pitta [https://joshpitta.com/], Jenny Jian, and others. Levingston Lewis [https://www.levingstonlewis.com/], Tamar Turner [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsZCEjmjRcpQ23koyOzDpzg], Aria Sivick [https://www.ariasvoice.com/], Ashleigh Carter, Tina Perkins [https://perkprod.com/], and Jonathan Schaefer [https://www.jonfoolery.com/] can be heard in the episode 3 sneak peek. Episode 3 comes out on Oct. 22! You can find out more about this production and the cast and crew at whenwewereonfirepodcast.com [https://www.whenwewereonfirepodcast.com/], as well as on Facebook [https://www.fb.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/whenwewereonfirepodcast], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast], and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@whenwewereonfirepodcast]. Follow Addie’s work at addiezierman.com [https://addiezierman.com/] and addiezierman.substack.com [https://addiezierman.substack.com/]. Special thanks to Addie Zierman, Aria Sivick, Miranda Gardner, and the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University.