China Business Law Podcast

China Business Law Podcast

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The China Business Law Podcast brings you a real world perspective on how business law is applied on the ground in China. Guests include both in-house and law firm professionals. The hosts are seasoned, practicing lawyers with decades of China experience.

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episode Empowering Chinese American Lawyers: A Conversation with Amy Chen artwork
Empowering Chinese American Lawyers: A Conversation with Amy Chen

EMPOWERING CHINESE AMERICAN LAWYERS: A CONVERSATION WITH AMY CHEN Welcome to another insightful episode of the China Business Law Podcast. Today, we are thrilled to have Amy Chen, a prominent legal professional and co-founder of the Chinese American Lawyers Association of Orange County (CALA). In this interview, Amy shares her extraordinary journey in the legal realm and her vision for empowering Chinese American contributions within the legal community. MEET AMY CHEN Connect with Amy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-chen-078b911/] CALA Website [https://calaoc.org/about/] Amy Chen is not just any lawyer; she is a trailblazer in advocating for Chinese American voices within the legal industry. As the president of CALA, she is passionate about creating platforms that connect Chinese American legal professionals and fostering growth within this community. Her legal career spans from major law firms in Hong Kong to influential in-house roles in tech companies. A LEGAL PATH INFLUENCED BY FAMILY AND CULTURE Amy’s legal journey started with an interest in business and China during her college years, which led to an inspiring stint at a law firm in Hong Kong. This experience cemented her decision to pursue law, fueled by both professional aspirations and family legacy—particularly her grandfather's groundbreaking achievements as a lawyer in Europe. Amy studied law at Columbia and began her career at Simpson Thacher before transitioning to pivotal roles in technology firms, including Alibaba during its formative years. BUILDING BRIDGES THROUGH CALA The idea for CALA originated over lunch with a fellow lawyer, where they identified a need for a platform dedicated to addressing Chinese American legal challenges in Orange County. Starting with drafting bylaws, the association quickly evolved with a mission to develop, empower, and elevate the contributions of its members to the legal and civic landscape. CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN THE LEGAL FIELD Amy's career has seen significant shifts due to changing US-China relations, pushing her towards advocacy and community-focused efforts. She highlights barriers faced by Chinese American lawyers, such as underrepresentation in the upper echelons of the legal field and societal biases. CALA aspires to tackle these issues through professional development programs, legal education, and community engagement. INSPIRING THE NEXT GENERATION For aspiring lawyers, Amy offers invaluable advice: approach the legal profession with eyes wide open. It's a demanding field that requires a commitment to learning and a skill set that includes relationship-building and staying informed about global and industry-specific trends. Crucially, she stresses the importance of cultivating a network and finding mentors. MOVING FORWARD: ADVOCACY AND COLLABORATION While still in its infancy, CALA has ambitious plans to delve into advocacy, especially around pressing issues such as immigration and civil rights. The organization is also forging partnerships with other legal bodies and community groups to enhance its impact and outreach. JOIN THE MISSION Under Amy’s leadership, CALA is on the path towards significant contributions to the legal community and beyond. For those interested in joining or learning more, Amy and CALA welcome engagement through their website at calaoc.org. Together, they are redefining the narrative and presence of Chinese American professionals in law and civic spaces. Thank you to Amy Chen for sharing her journey and insights. Her story is a powerful reminder of how dedication and community can drive impactful change. If you're interested in learning more about CALA's work or want to get involved, reach out through their website.   Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:34 Amy Chen's Journey into Law 03:22 Transition to In-House and Tech Industry 04:24 Return to the US and Continued China Focus 09:21 Founding the Chinese American Lawyers Association 16:42 Asian American Representation in Law Firms 17:08 Professional Development Initiatives 18:29 Community Engagement and Civic Involvement 18:41 Addressing Societal Bias and Discrimination 21:32 Cultural Values and Corporate America 25:08 Advocacy and Legal Parameters 26:59 Collaboration with Other Organizations 29:10 Advice for Aspiring Lawyers 33:04 Conclusion and Contact Information PRODUCER Jacob Thomas [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-thomas0127/] FOLLOW US LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/china-business-law-podcast/] Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/china-business-law-podcast/id1498303298]

19. jul. 2025 - 36 min
episode Innovative Wealth Planning: Legal Perspectives with Henry Ji and Amber Guan artwork
Innovative Wealth Planning: Legal Perspectives with Henry Ji and Amber Guan

INNOVATIVE WEALTH PLANNING: LEGAL PERSPECTIVES WITH HENRY JI AND AMBER GUAN Welcome to another insightful episode of the China Business Law Podcast. Today, we are privileged to host two exceptional legal experts, Henry Ji and Amber Guan, from Zhong Lun Law Firm. With their extensive expertise in wealth planning, they provide unique insights into the legal perspectives of managing wealth for high net worth individuals in China. MEET OUR EXPERTS: HENRY JI AND AMBER GUAN guanxin@zhonglun.com [guanxin@zhonglun.com] https://en.zhonglun.com/team/henryji.html [https://en.zhonglun.com/team/henryji.html] Henry Ji, a partner at Zhong Lun, and Amber Guan, a managing associate, are pioneers in the domain of private wealth planning. Both are dually qualified to practice law in China and New York State, USA, bringing a robust international perspective to their practice. Over the past eight years, they've been at the forefront of advising Chinese high-net-worth families and multinational companies on wealth planning. EMERGING TRENDS IN WEALTH PLANNING In recent years, the focus of wealth planning in China has shifted from primarily wealth creation to more comprehensive strategies involving family asset protection, governance, and succession planning. Henry highlights the evolution in this field, particularly noting the change during the rapid capital market expansion and IPO activities from 2012 to 2021. Today, families seek integrated structures that address multiple needs like control, tax efficiency, and succession. HANDLING CROSS-BORDER WEALTH CHALLENGES Amber elaborates on the complexities of managing cross-border investments and assets. With varying legal systems and regulatory environments, cross-border wealth planning poses unique challenges. The divergence in these frameworks, coupled with China's strict currency controls, makes compliance a sophisticated process requiring coordination among legal, tax, and other professionals. ENSURING COMPLIANCE AMIDST SCRUTINY In the face of increasing scrutiny from both Chinese and foreign governments, compliance becomes imperative. Henry and Amber stress the significance of strict adherence to legal and regulatory frameworks to avoid administrative or criminal liabilities. They emphasize the necessity for transparency, proper documentation, and alignment with international tax and reporting standards. ASSET PROTECTION STRATEGIES FOR CHINESE CLIENTS For high net worth individuals, asset protection is a primary concern. Both experts recommend the use of trusts and insurance products as effective mechanisms. They advise on restructuring corporate governance and shareholding arrangements to safeguard personal assets and prevent business liabilities. COLLABORATION FOR COMPREHENSIVE WEALTH PLANNING Wealth planning is multifaceted, involving legal advice, financial strategies, and tax implications. Henry and Amber work closely with financial advisors and tax experts to provide comprehensive solutions that are both legally sound and financially strategic. This collaborative approach ensures tailored solutions that align with clients' long-term objectives. PERSONALIZED WEALTH PLANNING STRATEGIES Every family is unique, and so are their wealth planning needs. The experts at Zhong Lun prioritize understanding each client's personal, family, and business landscapes to design strategies that are custom-fit. Whether the goal is protecting a family business, facilitating succession, or ensuring regulatory compliance, their approach is highly personalized. BUILDING LONG-TERM CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS Trust is the cornerstone of successful wealth planning, particularly in the realm of high net worth individuals. Henry and Amber emphasize building long-term relationships through consistent, reliable, and discreet services. They maintain regular communications and reviews to adapt to clients’ evolving needs. CONTACTING ZHONG LUN FOR WEALTH PLANNING EXPERTISE For those interested in leveraging the expertise of Henry Ji and Amber Guan in navigating the complexities of wealth planning in China, they welcome inquiries through email. Henry's contact details can be found on the Zhong Lun website, while Amber can be reached at guanxin@zhonglun.com [guanxin@zhonglun.com]. Their proficiency in legal nuances and dedication to client objectives make them invaluable allies in wealth management. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:26 Guest Backgrounds and Expertise 03:25 Current Trends in Wealth Planning 06:41 Challenges in Cross-Border Wealth Planning 10:17 Ensuring Compliance with Regulations 13:47 Strategies for Asset Protection 16:37 Balancing Legal and Financial Advice 19:58 Succession Planning Concerns 24:26 Personalizing Wealth Planning Strategies 27:20 Building Long-Term Client Relationships 30:33 Conclusion and Contact Information PRODUCER Jacob Thomas [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-thomas0127/] FOLLOW US LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/china-business-law-podcast/] Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/china-business-law-podcast/id1498303298]

19. jul. 2025 - 33 min
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Dispute Resolution in China with Andy Han

DISPUTE RESOLUTION IN CHINA WITH ANDY HAN Welcome to another episode of the China Business Law Podcast. In this episode, we are privileged to host Andy Han, a partner at Allbright Law with expertise in cross-border dispute resolution involving China. His insights offer a deep dive into the intricacies of navigating legal disputes in the region. INTRODUCING ANDY HAN Connect with Andy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-han-a9832922a/?originalSubdomain=cn] Allbright Law [https://www.allbrightlaw.com/EN/01.aspx] Andy Han brings over a decade of experience as an attorney in China, specializing in cross-border disputes and transactions such as M&A and Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) projects. His career journey provides him with a unique perspective on the challenges and resolutions in the legal landscape across borders, particularly during pivotal periods such as the COVID-19 pandemic. THE LANDSCAPE OF CROSS-BORDER DISPUTE RESOLUTION During the COVID-19 pandemic, Andy aided foreign clients in navigating disputes arising from cross-border transactions, specifically the acquisition of medical supplies from China. He reflects on the spike in such disputes due to the urgent demand for medical products and the subsequent quality issues that arose. His expertise is not limited to dispute resolution; Andy also emphasizes the importance of drafting robust contracts. He recommends clearly defining dispute resolution clauses within contracts, choosing between litigation or arbitration carefully, based on applicable laws and enforceability. CHOOSING BETWEEN ARBITRATION AND LITIGATION A significant part of cross-border contract negotiations involves deciding on dispute resolution mechanisms. In particular, Andy advises against including both litigation and arbitration in a single clause under Chinese law, as this can invalidate the litigation choice. Factors to consider include the nature of the dispute, cultural factors, and language. For example, in cases with a foreign element, foreign arbitration centers in third countries like Singapore or Hong Kong might be preferred for neutrality. However, if the contract involves purely domestic issues, Chinese arbitration centers or courts are advisable. ENFORCING ARBITRATION AWARDS IN CHINA Andy shares insights into the enforcement of arbitration awards within China. For domestic awards, enforcement is typically straightforward without the need for additional recognition processes. However, enforcing foreign arbitration awards can be more complex, often involving recognition by Chinese courts under the New York Convention. Recent trends show improvement in the enforcement of foreign arbitral awards, with a success rate over 90% in certain scenarios. Yet, challenges remain, such as proper notification to respondents in defaults or exceeding the scope of the arbitration agreement. PRACTICAL ADVICE FOR FOREIGN ENTERPRISES Beyond addressing disputes, Andy stresses the importance of preventive measures. Conducting thorough background checks on potential business partners can preemptively mitigate risks. Additionally, recognizing fully foreign-owned enterprises in China as domestic companies can influence the governance and dispute resolution approaches. PROACTIVE MEASURES AND GOVERNMENT INITIATIVES The Chinese government is increasingly supportive of foreign arbitration centers establishing branches within China, facilitating a more integrated and accessible legal framework. This aligns with broader efforts to attract international business and enhance trust in China’s legal system. FINAL THOUGHTS AND REACHING OUT Andy Han encourages foreign in-house counsel to carefully consider dispute resolution clauses during negotiations and remain proactive in preventing disputes. For further guidance, Andy can be reached through LinkedIn or his firm's contact details. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:15 Andy's Background in Cross-Border Dispute Resolution 01:59 Key Considerations in Cross-Border Contracts 03:26 Litigation vs. Arbitration in China 07:50 Enforcement of Arbitration Awards in China 18:49 Trends and Practical Advice for Foreign Companies 24:24 Final Thoughts and Contact Information   PRODUCER Jacob Thomas [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-thomas0127/] FOLLOW US LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/china-business-law-podcast/] Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/china-business-law-podcast/id1498303298]

08. jun. 2025 - 27 min
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Resolving Corporate Conflicts in China with Tim Yiming Liu

RESOLVING CORPORATE CONFLICTS IN CHINA WITH TIM YIMING LIU Welcome to another episode of the China Business Law Podcast! This episode features an insightful discussion with special guest Tim Yiming Liu, a partner at Global Law Office in Shanghai. We dive deep into aspects of cross-border dispute resolution and Tim’s extensive experience in the field, providing listeners with expert knowledge on navigating the complexities of legal disputes involving Chinese and foreign clients. INTRODUCTION TO TIM YIMING LIU Send Tim an Email: timliu@glo.com.cn Tim Yiming Liu is a seasoned partner at Global Law Office in Shanghai, specializing in China domestic and cross-border dispute resolution. His clients include high-profile companies such as ByteDance, Goldman Sachs, Nomura, SoftBank, Lenovo, Nestle, and Amazon, to name a few. With a professional background that spans over two decades, Tim’s expertise lies in resolving disputes from corporate governance, shareholder rights, and complex M&A transactions to liquidation and bankruptcy issues. TIM’S JOURNEY IN DISPUTE RESOLUTION Tim began his career as a transactional lawyer, engaging in M&A, private equity, and venture capital deals. With changes in the global business landscape, Tim transitioned into dispute resolution, leveraging his cross-border qualifications and his sharp acumen in business law. As someone fluent in both English and Chinese, he adeptly manages Chinese and international client perspectives, offering a unique dual representation advantage in arbitration and litigation. THE LANDSCAPE OF CROSS-BORDER LEGAL DISPUTES During the podcast, Art and Tim explore various challenges that arise during cross-border legal disputes. Common cases Tim handles include corporate and commercial disputes, shareholder disagreements, and M&A conflicts. Art delves into how foreign enterprises face litigation challenges in China and how Chinese firms confront unique obstacles in international jurisdictions, highlighting issues such as service of process, discovery, and interim measures. CHALLENGES WITH DISCOVERY AND DATA SECURITY Art and Tim explore the discovery process, a crucial yet complex element of cross-border litigation. Chinese companies often struggle with discovery requirements in foreign jurisdictions due to unfamiliarity and cultural differences in legal procedures. The protection of sensitive business data, constrained by China’s stringent cybersecurity and data security laws, often complicates evidence submission in cross-border disputes. INSIGHTS ON ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE The concept of attorney-client privilege differs notably between jurisdictions like China and the U.S. While U.S. law offers robust protections, Chinese law does not formally recognize such privileges, compelling Chinese firms to adapt by involving U.S. counsel in applicable scenarios to benefit from this protection in cross-border disputes. STRATEGIES FOR DISPUTE RESOLUTION AND SETTLEMENT Tim emphasizes the importance of strategic decision-making in dispute resolution, particularly concerning jurisdiction and enforceability. Chinese courts, especially in metropolitan areas, are adept at handling complex commercial disputes impartially, offering a compelling venue for legal proceedings, depending on asset location and enforceability concerns. CALCULATING THE COST AND STRATEGY OF SETTLEMENTS An integral part of Tim’s litigation strategy involves continuous assessment of settlement options throughout the legal process. Factors such as litigation cost, potential outcomes, and the overarching business relationship often guide the decision to pursue settlement negotiations, balancing cost efficiency with optimal resolution outcomes. CONCLUSION This episode offers a treasure trove of insights for legal professionals and businesses alike, emphasizing the nuanced landscape of cross-border legal disputes. Tim’s expertise and strategic approach shine a light on the critical considerations for navigating international legal waters effectively.   Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 01:03 Tim Yiming Liu's Professional Journey 03:25 Common Cases and Disputes 06:45 Challenges in Cross-Border Disputes 10:00 Discovery and Data Compliance 20:20 Attorney-Client Privilege and Legal Strategies 22:26 Litigation and Arbitration Strategies 29:08 Settlement Considerations 34:08 Conclusion and Contact Information PRODUCER Jacob Thomas [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-thomas0127/] FOLLOW US LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/china-business-law-podcast/] Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/china-business-law-podcast/id1498303298]

04. mar. 2025 - 37 min
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Chinese Multinationals and US Laws with Li Ji

CHINESE MULTINATIONALS AND US LAWS WITH LI JI On today’s episode of the China Business Law Podcast we are privileged to speak with Professor Li Ji from the UC Irvine School of Law. Professor Li shares insights from his comprehensive book, "Negotiating Legality: Chinese Companies in the U.S. Legal System," exploring the intricate challenges and strategies of Chinese multinational companies operating in the United States. INTRODUCTION TO PROFESSOR LI JI Read Negotiating Legality [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/negotiating-legality/9137EFD1922770FA84AA0B004EAAB550] Professor Li Ji is a respected authority on the legal dynamics faced by Chinese companies in the U.S., having transitioned from a career in corporate tax law to academia, with a focus on compliance and legal risks. His research provides a nuanced understanding of how these companies navigate the U.S. legal environment while maintaining ties to Chinese cultural norms. THE ROLE AND INFLUENCE OF IN-HOUSE COUNSEL One of the key topics of our discussion revolved around the qualifications and influence of in-house counsel at Chinese companies in the U.S. Many companies do not employ full-time in-house counsel due to cost concerns, and those that do often prefer lawyers with Chinese backgrounds to bridge cultural differences effectively. This bicultural fluency aids them in educating headquarters about the legal risks of conducting business in the U.S. INTERACTION PATTERNS WITH U.S. LEGAL SYSTEMS Chinese companies often face a geopolitical and cultural learning curve when engaging with the U.S. legal system. Professor Li highlights their initial hesitance to escalate disputes due to a normative reluctance to litigate, which may be perceived as a weakness. Over time and through experience, however, these companies adapt to a more U.S.-style cost-benefit analysis. LITIGATION AND REGULATORY CHALLENGES Litigation, particularly in intellectual property, product liability, and contractual disputes, varies widely based on industry. Chinese multinationals must comprehend the demanding nature of U.S. litigation, notably the expansive discovery process. A combination of internal adaptation and expert external counsel is crucial for successfully navigating these challenges. CHOOSING THE RIGHT LEGAL REPRESENTATION The dual institutional pressures from both Chinese and U.S. norms implicate the selection of legal representation. While large multinationals might partner with major law firms familiar from their home country, smaller firms lean towards cost-effective, flexible solutions. The trust and cultural familiarity are pivotal in building enduring relationships with external counsel. ADAPTING TO A CHANGING GEOPOLITICAL CLIMATE In light of evolving U.S.-China relations, Chinese companies must strategically manage their U.S. operations. This includes structuring businesses to mitigate risks associated with their Chinese identity, such as establishing operations in neutral territories like Singapore or Switzerland. CONCLUSION Professor Li Ji's insights underscore the complexities and dynamic adaptations required by Chinese multinational companies operating in the U.S. legal landscape. His book, "Negotiating Legality: Chinese Companies in the U.S. Legal System," is crucial reading for understanding these transitions. We encourage our listeners to delve into the book for a deeper exploration of these themes.   Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:58 Professor Li Ji's Background and Career 02:09 Chinese In-House Counsel in the U.S. 03:58 In-House Counsel's Role in Decision Making 08:23 Challenges for Chinese Companies with Outside Counsel 19:09 Litigation and Legal Risks for Chinese Companies 25:00 Navigating U.S. Regulations and Government Interaction 33:58 Conclusion and Book Promotion PRODUCER Jacob Thomas [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-thomas0127/] FOLLOW US LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/china-business-law-podcast/] Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/china-business-law-podcast/id1498303298]

06. feb. 2025 - 36 min
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