Fire Science Show

250 - Communicating fire science with construction professionals

A fire strategy can be technically correct, but if the team building the building never truly understands it - goals and objectives may be missed. For the 250th Fire Science Show, we slow down and talk about the craft of communicating fire science to construction professionals so that the intent survives real projects, real deadlines, and real handovers.  This episode is an extended version of my talk I gave recently at the IAFSS Research Sub-Committee Workshop, which we have organised with Felix Wiesner, and I had a chance to talk along my friends - prof. Guillermo Rein, Birgitte Messerschmidt and dr Steve Kerber. In this episode, we share why the biggest failures are rarely tiny compliance misses. The scary failures come from misread strategy, missing execution on site, and teams optimizing for the wrong target because we explained the “what” but not the “why.” From smoke zoning misunderstandings to the way product labels and ratings get interpreted, we unpack how simple miscommunication can create life-threatening conditions even when everyone is working hard. Then we offer a practical framework built around three ideas: context, timeliness, and the way we speak. Context means understanding the building ecosystem: code and local planning, sustainability and energy efficiency, LEED or BREEAM certification pressures, business model realities, and aesthetics. Timeliness means matching our message to the building lifecycle, keeping high-level objectives clear early on, translating them into technical concepts during design, and only then driving into the technical detailing that makes compartmentation, egress, smoke control, and structural fire safety real. Finally, we get honest about what works: simple anchors like ASAT versus RSAT, consequence-focused language, and respectful collaboration, plus what breaks trust fast: jargon, paper-style writing, megawatt talk, and false certainty around “60 minutes” ratings. Some other podcast recommendations after this one: * https://www.firescienceshow.com/136-fire-fundamentals-pt-6-the-fire-automation-in-a-building/ what happens in a building during a fire? * https://www.firescienceshow.com/246-fire-fundamentals-pt-20-fire-resistance-criteria-with-piotr-turkowski/ a wider view on the fire resistance * https://www.firescienceshow.com/199-commercial-timber-guidebook-with-danny-hopkin-and-luis-gonzalez-avila/ commercial timber guidebook which is an example of excellent communication of fire safety concepts. ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.

249 - PBD of a large car park with EVs (Case study) with Jonathan Hodges, Mark McKinnon and Christian Rippe

From the SFPE Performance Based Design Conference in Singapore, we sit down with Jonathan Hodges and Mark McKinnon (UL Research Institutes) and Christian Rippe (Jensen Hughes) moments after their case study presentation to break down a modern parking garage fire engineering workflow with a huge does of performance based and probabilistic approaches. We talk about what changes when today’s vehicle fleet makes multi-vehicle fire spread more plausible, and why picking a single car fire curve can quietly bake bias into an entire performance-based design. The team shares how they use real incident data, vehicle size distributions, ignition location categories, and percentile-based heat release rate curves to build design fires that are transparent and defensible. We also dig into EV charging as an initiating mode, what the data can and cannot support, and how a “gap analysis” mindset helps practitioners avoid false precision. Then we get into the risk machinery: scenario binning, frequencies, sprinkler reliability assumptions, and how CFD (FDS) fits when you cannot simulate 100,000 possibilities. Finally, we go structural with concrete spalling, thermal finite element modeling in Abaqus, and a scripted workflow that iteratively removes damaged concrete to understand how exposure evolves during long-duration multi-vehicle fires. For this episode, there is a ton of resources. From Jonathan: 1. Reference for first design fire paper: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2024.104145 [https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2024.104145] 2. Reference for second design fire paper: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2026.104721 [https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2026.104721] 3. Reference for database paper: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10694-025-01701-5 [https://doi.org/10.1007/s10694-025-01701-5] 4. Reference for number of parking garages: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2022.103565 [https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2022.103565] 5. Reference for ULRI vehicle fire data: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.dib.2026.112471 [https://doi.org/10.1016/j.dib.2026.112471] 6. Reference for ULRI material database: https://materials.fsri.org/ [https://materials.fsri.org/] 7. Reference for NERIS: http://neris.fsri.org/ [http://neris.fsri.org/] 8. Reference for NFPA Vehicles data: https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/research/nfpa-research/fire-statistical-reports/vehicle-fires [https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/research/nfpa-research/fire-statistical-reports/vehicle-fires] And two from myself: 1. Outcomes of the massive fire with spalling in Warsaw https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2025.104352 [https://doi.org/10.1016/j.firesaf.2025.104352] 2. Open sided car park report by OFR https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-open-sided-car-parks/real-fires-open-sided-car-park-fire-resistance-introduction-and-conclusion [https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-open-sided-car-parks/real-fires-open-sided-car-park-fire-resistance-introduction-and-conclusion]  ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.

248 - JRC update on Fire Safety Engineering in Europe with Francesca Sciarretta

Fire safety in Europe is shaped in a challenging ecosystem - each member country owns its fire safety rules, yet the construction market, standards, and technical language are increasingly shared. I’m joined by Francesca Sciarretta, Scientific Project Officer at the European Commission’s Joint Research Centre (JRC), to explain how the JRC supports EU decision-making with independent research and why that “science behind the policy” matters for every practicing fire safety engineer. We unpack what the latest JRC work says about performance-based fire safety engineering in Europe and why prescriptive design still dominates. Francesca walks through how the same country can look “performance-based” to engineers but “not allowed” to regulators, depending on how approval pathways, deviation procedures, and legal wording work. We also talk about where performance-based methods show up most often, from smoke control and structural fire engineering to compartmentation, and why complex assets like high-rise buildings, airport terminals, and underground infrastructure frequently demand engineering judgment. From there, we connect fire safety to the sustainable construction ecosystem: the Construction Products Regulation (CPR), the recast Energy Performance of Buildings Directive (EPBD), major renovations, and the reality that low-carbon innovation must not introduce hidden fire risk. The conversation then turns to the real engine of progress: education, training, qualification frameworks, and liability. If we expect engineers to define scenarios, design fires, safety criteria, and take responsibility, we need credible pathways to competence and continuous professional development across borders. You can find the new JRC report here. [https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC143347] Information about the FIEP platform: https://efectis.com/en/fire-information-exchange-platform-fiep-2/ [https://efectis.com/en/fire-information-exchange-platform-fiep-2/] ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.

247 - Calculation methods for fire resistance with Piotr Turkowski

You don’t always need a furnace to end up with a fire resistance rating, but you do need to understand what kind of “proof” you’re actually creating. I’m joined again by Dr. Piotr Turkowski from ITB to unpack calculation methods for fire resistance and the real-world chain from engineering assumptions to a Declaration of Performance. We talk about when standards and European Assessment Documents (EADs) explicitly allow Eurocode-based assessment, and how different methods will lead you to your resulting class in a different way. We spend a lot of time on the practical heart of structural fire engineering: concrete and steel. For reinforced concrete (Eurocode 2, EN 1992-1-2), we compare tabulated data, simplified calculation approaches like the zone method, and advanced global modeling that starts to look more like performance-based fire safety engineering than classification. For steel (Eurocode 3, EN 1993-1-2), we break down critical temperature, utilization, section factor, and what you can realistically expect from unprotected members under the standard fire curve. Then we get into the more challenging  part that tables or  simplified  methods can’t completely capture: fire protection materials. Sprayed mortars, boards, and intumescent coatings change properties with temperature, moisture, and expansion, and their performance can hinge on stickability, cracking, and detachment during large deflections. Finally, Piotr shares a strong caution on masonry, where tabulated data can be dangerously optimistic for some concrete hollow blocks, and we close with a look at what machine learning might someday add to fire resistance prediction. Here is a link to the paper about Masonry: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379711226000512 ITB and Piotr have international courses on fire resistance and fire testing - keep an eye out on them! ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.

246 - Fire Fundamentals pt. 20 - Fire Resistance Criteria with Piotr Turkowski

In this episode of fire fundamentals with the ITB fire resistance expert Piotr Turkowski we break down what a fire resistance rating criteria, and what the letters behind ratings like “REI 60” exactly stand for. We use lab experience to explain where the standards are clear, where they are oddly traditional, and where comparisons between products can mislead.  • ISO definition of fire resistance as an ability over time  • What R E I W and M mean in fire resistance classification  • Load bearing capacity as deformation and collapse criteria  • How test loads are applied and why load choice matters  • Integrity E as flames and openings rather than smoke tightness  • Cotton pad test and why it blurs integrity versus insulation  • Insulation I temperature rise limits and prescribed thermocouple points  • Radiation W as a heat flux limit and when it matters  • Mechanical impact M and the wrecking ball style verification  • Why fire resistance time does not add up across layers  • Furnace minutes, strict thresholds, and unknown test uncertainty  If you liked this podcast episode, you will definietely enjoy: * https://www.firescienceshow.com/070-fire-resistance-is-whatever-you-want-it-to-be-with-piotr-turkowski/ [https://www.firescienceshow.com/070-fire-resistance-is-whatever-you-want-it-to-be-with-piotr-turkowski/] our previous conversation with Piotr about general fire resistance paradigm * https://www.firescienceshow.com/010-seeking-the-origins-of-standardized-fire-testing-and-ancient-fire-protection-materials-with-john-gales/ [https://www.firescienceshow.com/010-seeking-the-origins-of-standardized-fire-testing-and-ancient-fire-protection-materials-with-john-gales/] another take on the origins of fire resistance ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.