Landline with Mary Mahoney
This week, I'm talking with author and producer Meredith Bagby about her book The New Guys, which follows the NASA astronaut class of 1978, the first to include women and people of color. We get into Sally Ride's complicated legacy (first American woman in space, closeted gay icon, accidental hero of the Challenger investigation), the very real dangers of flying on a shuttle whose O-rings had failed a dozen times before anyone died, and what it means to celebrate diversity milestones when the culture is actively trying to erase them. Also: Ron McNair playing saxophone in space, Shannon Lucid befriending a canary in a freezing Russian apartment, and Judy Resnick telling Tom Brokaw where he could stick his roses. Kristen Stewart is playing Sally Ride in the Amazon series adaptation, and I genuinely cannot wait. Become a Patreon member → https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney [https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney] Get the weekly newsletter and biweekly podcast episodes FREE! For $5/month, get ad-free episodes, a monthly bonus episode, a weekly newsletter of pop culture recommendations, and more! TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro & Patreon updates 01:20 Why Mary ended up reading a space book (thanks, Taylor Jenkins Reid) 03:12 Meredith watched Challenger explode live as a kid — and never forgot it 05:12 The class of '78: the first astronauts who didn't all look the same 07:38 Sally Ride's hero's journey: lost friends, investigated her bosses, kept a secret 13:58 The Challenger investigation — O-rings, cover-ups, and a document slipped to Sally 18:21 How the women in the class handled the media, the sexism, and each other 24:47 Ron McNair: physicist, jazz saxophonist, one of the greats 27:42 Military pilots vs. Berkeley scientists — the culture clash inside NASA 31:52 Anna Fisher: surgeon, astronaut, first mom in space 34:00 Shannon Lucid: hid her pregnancies, aced a final two days after giving birth, lived alone in Russia with a canary 42:00 How politics and budgets shaped the Challenger disaster 48:00 What this history means now — DEI rollbacks, erasure, and why these stories still matter 55:30 The Amazon series, Kristen Stewart as Sally, and new Challenger revelations 57:30 Outro — Patreon, Instagram, and Jessica Fletcher memes TRANSCRIPT Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sJYZv8iwMI4BvEcFbyi8xZ5osq7KINYVpglZbcqkIUk/edit?usp=sharing [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sJYZv8iwMI4BvEcFbyi8xZ5osq7KINYVpglZbcqkIUk/edit?usp=sharing] Connect with Mary: * Website: www.marymmahoney.com [http://www.marymmahoney.com] * Instagram: @mimimahoney [https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en] * Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com [MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com] Connect with Meredith Bagby: * Website: https://www.meredithebagby.com/ [https://www.meredithebagby.com/] * Twitter/X: https://www.tiktok.com/@merbagby [https://www.tiktok.com/@merbagby] * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/merbagby/ [https://www.instagram.com/merbagby/] * Book: The New Guys: The Historic Class of Astronauts That Broke Barriers and Changed the Face of Space Travel [https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780063141988] Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline. Sponsor Message: Landline is sponsored by Libro.Fm [http://libro.fm]. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb [https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb] ) ---------------------------------------- Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy [https://acast.com/privacy] for more information.
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