The Gloria Purvis Podcast

Three Catholic bishops on civilizing our political dialogue

In our polarized society today, the need for civil dialogue is great. So how do we approach that dialogue as Catholics? And what are some of the tools from our faith tradition that we can use in overcoming polarization?   This episode of “The Gloria Purvis Podcast” features a panel discussion between Cardinal Robert McElroy of San Diego, Bishop Robert Barron of Winona-Rochester, Minn., and Bishop Daniel Flores of Brownsville, Tex. The conversation includes reflections on their roles as shepherds and leaders in their dioceses and in the U.S. church, and on important topics such as the Synod on Synodality, a spirit of encounter and where to find hope amid polarization.  This conversation originally aired as a virtual event co-sponsored by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Catholic Charities USA, Glenmary Home Missioners and the Jesuit Conference. It’s part of “Civilize It,” a U.S.C.C.B. initiative in response to Pope Francis’ invitation to a better kind of politics, in which Catholics are called to seek the truth, build bridges and find solutions for the common good together.   Please consider supporting this podcast by getting a digital subscription to America Media at www.americamagazine.com/subscribe [http://www.americamagazine.com/subscribe]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

What does it mean to vote with a formed conscience?

Ahead of the 2024 presidential election, we’re releasing a mini-season that covers the importance of forming our consciences and voting, what to do when you don’t feel you entirely belong to either party, polarization in the church, racial justice and recognition of human dignity in our society.  On this episode of “The Gloria Purvis Podcast,” Gloria speaks with Sam Sawyer, S.J., the editor in chief of America Magazine. In early September 2024, Pope Francis was asked what advice he would give to Catholics in the United States [https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/09/13/pope-francis-donald-trump-kamala-harris-election-248792] for the upcoming presidential election. Pope Francis responded with an assessment of both candidates, saying: “Both are against life: the one that throws out migrants and the one that kills children. Both are against life.” He added that Catholics have a duty to “vote, and one has to choose the lesser evil.” The pope refused to speculate about which was the lesser evil, saying, “Each person must think and decide according to their own conscience.” Gloria and Sam discuss the Catholic imperative to form and obey one’s conscience, especially around two key voting issues: abortion and racism. Links:  Pope Francis told American Catholics to vote their conscience. What did he mean? [https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/10/09/catholic-voting-conscience-trump-harris-248963] Pope Francis: Trump and Harris are ‘both against life’ but Catholics must vote and choose ‘lesser evil’ [https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/09/13/pope-francis-donald-trump-kamala-harris-election-248792] Please consider supporting this podcast by getting a digital subscription to America Media at www.americamagazine.com/subscribe [http://www.americamagazine.com/subscribe]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

We don’t need to stop being angry in order to forgive

What is a Christian understanding of forgiveness? And does it necessarily involve reconciliation or the abatement of anger?  On the final episode of this season, Gloria welcomes Reverend Matthew Ichihashi Potts on “The Gloria Purvis Podcast” to discuss the subject of forgiveness. Reverend Potts is an Episcopalian minister and professor of Christian Morals at Harvard University. He is also the author of the new book, Forgiveness: An Alternative Account [https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300259858/forgiveness/], a probing study that draws upon theology, philosophy, social ethics and even literature to reexamine or rediscover forgiveness. The conversation centers primarily on whether forgiveness is possible especially with grave violations of human dignity, such as slavery, genocide, and mass shootings. Too often, Matthew says, we hurry to dress the wounds of trauma with the bandage of cheap forgiveness. We mistakenly believe that anger must fully subside in order for forgiveness to become possible. But is that what Jesus means when he urges us to forgive seven times seventy times?  Matthew offers an alternative definition of forgiveness, which is simply put, non-retaliation. However, choosing to forgive someone who has caused immense harm does not mean that the victims of violence must sweep feelings of anger under the rug or rush to reconciliation.   “If your question is where does our discomfort around anger come from?” says Matthew, “it comes from things like structural violence, like white supremacy. I think that if you are a person in power, it's really good if your victim is not angry anymore. Because if they're not angry anymore, then there's no wrong to fix. And so I think we should be suspicious of a white, European Christian theological tradition that has come to associate the abatement of anger with forgiveness, because who does that bear out on? It bears out on people who have traditionally been marginalized- women and people of color.” Please consider supporting this podcast by becoming a digital subscriber to America Media [https://link.chtbl.com/nJ5HQ1-a]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

Why birth should be free in the U.S.

If there’s one thing that pro-life and pro-choice advocates can agree upon, its that the cost of having a baby is significant, and often a deterrent for mothers carrying to term.  “So the average privately-insured person pays about $2,800 to give birth out of pocket,” says Kristen Day, the Executive Director of Democrats For Life of America. “And one in six new parents pay over $5,000. But those women without insurance pay thousands more, up to $20,000.” For the penultimate episode of the second season, Gloria is joined once more by Kristen Day, the Executive Director of Democrats For Life of America. Kristen is the author of the book “Democrats For Life: Pro-Life Politics and the Silenced Majority.” Recently, Kristen co-authored a paper “Make Birth Free [https://aul.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Make-Birth-Free-White-Paper.pdf]” and the two discuss the merits of this cause, along with the challenges to making this vision a reality.  “I think from the pro-life side if you're serious about ending abortion this is one way that we need to do it.” says Kristen, “And from the pro-choice side, if you really are pro-choice, then we need to support choice. And alleviating the cost of childbirth, instead of funding abortion, should be a priority for both sides.” Related articles Elizabeth Bruenig’s article “Make Birth Free” [https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/post-roe-pro-life-parental-support/661473/] Please consider supporting this podcast by becoming a digital subscriber to America Media [https://link.chtbl.com/nJ5HQ1-a]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

How should Catholic institutions make reparations for the sin of slavery?

Gloria speaks with Dr. Laura Masur, an assistant professor in the department of anthropology at The Catholic University of America. Dr. Masur has been one of the archeologists excavating enslaved communities on former plantations owned by the Society of Jesus in Maryland. They ask if and how we can reconcile the early American missionary work, especially of the Jesuits, with the grave sin of slavery. Please consider supporting this podcast by becoming a digital subscriber to America Media [https://link.chtbl.com/nJ5HQ1-a]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]