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Joy, Creativity, Play… and Snowballs? A Conversation with Becky Hawke

45 min · 22. apr. 2026
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What if joy wasn’t just a nice-to-have, but a core part of how we design and deliver learning, even on the heaviest topics? In this episode I’m joined by Becky Hawke, Senior Workplace Wellbeing Trainer at Solent Mind. Becky’s passion for bringing joy, play and creativity into training spaces is genuinely infectious, and this conversation left me smiling. We get into why joy became one of Becky’s core values, what her 7-year-old sparked in her by observing that “grownups don’t get to play”, and how play and creativity can sit comfortably alongside serious, sensitive content … when psychological safety is built in first. We also talk about why giving people an opt-out often leads to more engagement, not less, and the small ways you can invite creativity without anyone feeling put on the spot. I’d love to hear from you - how do you bring joy or play into the spaces you hold? You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk [tom@tom-cleary.co.uk] | Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify | Read and comment on Substack: https://substack.com/@tomclearyuk [https://substack.com/@tomclearyuk] | Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation [https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation] Find Becky and the Solent Mind Workplace Wellbeing Training team at www.solentmind.org.uk/training/ [http://www.solentmind.org.uk/training/] or on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/becky-hawke-23154b244/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/becky-hawke-23154b244/] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com [https://tomclearyuk.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

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