The In-Between

Faith, Fear & Your Nervous System with Jo Hargreaves (Faith Filled Therapist)

👉 Get my guide to clarify your next step: https://itstheinbetween.com/ In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Jo Hargreaves — psychotherapist, writer, speaker, pastor, and known as the Faith Filled Therapist — to explore the intersection of theology and therapy, and why neuroscience keeps pointing straight back to Scripture. Jo shares how a Holy Spirit nudge during early lockdown led her to start teaching what she'd long been discovering privately: that God designed us as spirit, soul, and body — and that our faith is meant to be embodied, not just intellectual. From perfect love casting out fear at a neurobiological level, to why worship activates your vagus nerve, to how your early attachment wounds may be quietly shaping your relationship with God — this conversation is rich, practical, and deeply grounding. Takeaways: 👉 Why perfect love really does cast out fear — at a neurobiological level 👉 What's happening in your body when you're overwhelmed and can't connect with God 👉 The practice of "regulate before you renew" — and why it changes everything 👉 Notice, name, and reframe — what taking thoughts captive looks like in ordinary life 👉 Biblical meditation: what it actually is, what it isn't, and how to practice it your way 👉 How anxious, avoidant, and disorganized attachment quietly shape how you relate to God 👉 Why holistic flourishing — spirit, soul, and body — isn't idealistic, it's God's design This Episode Is for You If… 👉 You're a faith-based leader in transition — between roles, seasons, or a sense of calling 👉 You know the truth but can't seem to feel it, and the shame of that gap is making it worse 👉 You want practical, theologically grounded tools for managing your mind in everyday life 👉 You're curious about the connection between your nervous system and your spiritual life If you liked this episode, please give it a thumbs up 👍, subscribe, and share it with your friends. 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode32-jo-hargreaves/

Beth & Jeff McCord: From Pastoral Crisis to Global Enneagram Coaching Movement

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Beth and Jeff McCord—bestselling authors and founders of Your Enneagram Coach—to unpack the powerful story behind one of the most influential faith-based coaching movements in the world. After a devastating church transition left them questioning their purpose, the McCords found themselves in an unexpected season of rebuilding. What began with financial uncertainty, part-time jobs, and late-night brainstorming sessions soon grew into a global platform serving millions. They share openly about loss, marriage tension, risk, recovery, and the surprising ways God used their pain to prepare them for something new. Takeaways : 👉 The church role that went sideways—and the sabbatical that forced a reset 👉 Beth’s entrepreneurial spark (platform skills, first Instagram posts, the scrappy first coach cohort) 👉 Jeff’s recovery & reframing season (counseling, ACOA, learning to learn-and-act) 👉 The catalytic moment: Ian Cron’s book hits and demand surges 👉 Why they launched Beth’s company (not under Jeff’s) to rewrite old patterns 👉 “Building while flying”: hiring help, customer support, and sustainable rhythms 👉 Redefining success beyond a church title—serving more people in new ways 👉 How their latest work (More Than Your Number) blends IFS with the Enneagram to navigate the inner world through transition This Episode Is for You If… * You’ve been through a ministry/job disruption and need a hopeful, practical blueprint * You and your spouse are navigating new roles while building something together * You’re curious how small experiments (and a lot of faithfulness) compound into a movement * You want to see how Enneagram insight + recovery work shaped a resilient second act * If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up 👍, subscribe, and share it with your friends. 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode31-beth-jeff-mccord/

The Magic of Knowing What You Want with Tracey Gee

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Tracey Gee—leadership coach, consultant, and author of The Magic of Knowing What You Want—to explore how desire, faith, and small experiments create aligned momentum after a disruptive transition. Tracey shares how a missed promotion shattered her sense of identity—and how a simple 40-day practice (doing one thing each day she genuinely wanted) helped her reconnect with God, recover her agency, and begin imagining a new future. Takeaways: 👉 Why desire is an honest doorway to clarity (you can’t fake what brings you alive) 👉 The “question parking lot”: permission, pragmatic, competency, and capital questions—and when to use them 👉 The Authentic Alignment Pathway (Calibration, Expansion, Experimentation, Integration) 👉 Why you don’t think your way to clarity—you live your way into it 👉 How to engage disappointment so it moves you closer to what you want 👉 How faith and desire cooperate (not compete) in discernment This Episode Is for You If… * You’re a faith-based leader in transition—between seasons and craving aligned momentum * You’re tired of autopilot and want a practical way to listen to God in your desires * You keep getting stuck in “am I allowed / is it realistic / am I qualified / can I afford it?” loops * You want right-sized experiments to build clarity this month 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode30-tracey-gee/

Kristi Gaultiere - Why Empathy Is the Missing Piece in Personal & Spiritual Growth

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Kristi Gaultiere—a licensed family therapist, co-founder of Soul Shepherding, and author of Deeply Loved—to explore how empathy plays a transformative role in emotional health, spiritual growth, and meaningful relationships. With 30+ years of counseling and ministry experience, Kristi opens up about the emotional barriers leaders face during seasons of transition: self-judgment, shame, isolation, and the temptation to "be strong" by suppressing real emotions. Drawing from her new book and personal experiences, Kristi shares how Jesus's empathy offers a healing presence for anyone navigating grief, uncertainty, or change. This conversation is for anyone who’s felt emotionally disconnected, judged their own struggles, or longed for safe places of spiritual and emotional care. Takeaways:👉 Why empathy is "oxygen for the soul" 👉 How childhood experiences shape our emotional responses in adulthood 👉 The difference between self-empathy and self-pity 👉 Why vulnerability is a gateway to intimacy, not weakness 👉 What Jesus's "in-between" years can teach us about waiting well 👉 How empathy from others can awaken hidden emotions and bring healing 👉 Why emotional awareness is a vital part of spiritual growth 👉 How empathy leads to transformation, not fragilization 👉 The "Four A's of Empathy" and how to practice them daily This Episode Is for You If... * You're in a season of transition and feel emotionally disoriented * You’ve been told to "just be strong" or to ignore your emotions * You secretly wonder if your feelings are signs of spiritual failure * You desire deeper connection in relationships but feel stuck * You want to experience Jesus's empathy in a personal and transformative way 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode29-kristi-gualtiere/

Michael Shahan on IFS, the Enneagram and Understanding Your Inner World through Compassion

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Michael Shahan—a licensed therapist, Enneagram specialist, and IFS practitioner—who helps people shift from self-judgment to self-leadership through deeper self-awareness and compassion. Michael’s journey began unexpectedly when a couple he counseled discovered the Enneagram, transforming their marriage—and sparking Michael’s passion for using this powerful tool in his practice. But it wasn’t until he faced his own fears, mistyped his own Enneagram number, and embraced the discomfort of self-discovery that his work took on new meaning. Together, we explore why lasting change begins with curiosity instead of shame, how our most uncomfortable emotions hold the keys to freedom, and what it really means to flourish by accepting ourselves exactly as we are. This conversation is for anyone wrestling with anxiety, secretly judging their own struggles, or feeling ready for deeper self-understanding—but unsure where to begin. Takeaways: 👉 Why awareness alone can spark powerful transformation 👉 How to recognize when fear is quietly driving your decisions 👉 Why the parts of yourself you resist the most need compassion, not criticism 👉 What Michael means when he says, “The problem is the problem, not you” 👉 How Internal Family Systems (IFS) can help you understand your inner conflicts 👉 Why acceptance isn’t resignation—it’s empowerment 👉 The hidden connection between spirituality and emotional health 👉 How the Enneagram can reveal your blind spots and your gifts 👉 Why real flourishing begins with accepting your fears rather than escaping them This Episode Is for You If… * You feel stuck repeating patterns you know aren’t serving you * You’ve experienced anxiety, self-doubt, or shame around your inner struggles * You’re secretly wondering if your coping strategies are doing more harm than good * You’re tired of fighting yourself and ready for deeper peace and clarity * You want a practical path to self-compassion—not just positive thinking 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode28-michael-shahan/