The PolicyViz Podcast

Welcome to the Season 11 Finale of the PolicyViz Podcast! I’m ready for a summer break and am super excited to close the season talking with Shirly Wu—data visualization artist, technologist, and community thought leader. We talk about Shirley’s journey from creating vibrant, web-based data visualizations to developing physical, multi-sensory data art. Shirley shares what she learned during her recent graduate studies in art and technology, her reflections on data, emotion, and the role of art, and the ideas behind her widely discussed blog series on the state of innovation in the data visualization field. We also discuss how the pandemic reshaped our community, the challenge of maintaining creative joy, and the importance of making space for both functional and expressive data storytelling. From Tokyo to San Francisco, Shirley’s work bridges client projects and immersive art experiences, all grounded in data. Keywords: Shirley Wu, data visualization, data art, scrollytelling, innovation in dataviz, physical data experiences, emotional data storytelling, PolicyViz Podcast, post-pandemic data, visual storytelling, ITP NYU, creative data design, interdisciplinary art, Jon Schwabish, data literacy, local data engagement, experimental visualization Subscribe to the PolicyViz Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Become a patron of the PolicyViz Podcast [https://patreon.com/policyviz?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink] for as little as a buck a month Check out Shirley’s website [https://www.shirleywu.studio/] Follow me on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jschwabish/?hl=en],  LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanschwabish/],  Substack [https://jschwabish.substack.com/],  Twitter [https://twitter.com/jschwabish],  Website [https://policyviz.com/],  YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/c/JonSchwabish] Email: jon@policyviz.com [jschwabish@gmail.com]

In this week’s episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I am reposting my 2015 interview with Edward Tufte, one of the pioneers of data visualization and author of seminal books like The Visual Display of Quantitative Information. At the time, Tufte was a well-known and hugely influential figure in the field. Over time, his influence has waned, and I find that fewer and fewer people are aware of his work and his impacts on the field of data visualization. Before closing up this season next week, I thought it worth looking back to this interview and listen to Tufte as he reflects on analytical thinking, visual reasoning, and the intersection of art and science. We discussed his sculpture work, the evolution of information design, the power of high-resolution displays, and the importance of clarity and excellence in presenting data. The conversation spans from Tufte’s early teaching days to his vision for the future of data communication, offering a rich mix of philosophy, design, and practical insight. Keywords: Edward Tufte, data visualization, The Thinking Eye, PolicyViz Podcast, Jon Schwabish, analytical thinking, visual reasoning, sculpture, design excellence, high-resolution graphics, information design, flatland, Galileo, data storytelling, maps moving in time Subscribe to the PolicyViz Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Become a patron of the PolicyViz Podcast [https://patreon.com/policyviz?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink] for as little as a buck a month Follow me on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jschwabish/?hl=en],  LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanschwabish/],  Substack [https://jschwabish.substack.com/],  Twitter [https://twitter.com/jschwabish],  Website [https://policyviz.com/],  YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/c/JonSchwabish] Email: jon@policyviz.com [jschwabish@gmail.com]

My friend Andy Kirk joins the show to reflect on the changing landscape of data visualization. We discuss the evolution of tools like Tableau and Flourish, the dispersion of social media communities, and how, how AI is reshaping workflows and data visualization. Andy shares insights from his freelance experience, the challenges of teaching data preparation, and his measured take on critique and awards in the field. This episode captures a moment of introspection in data viz—where progress is evident, but big questions remain. Keywords: data, data visualization, flourish, graphic design, how to, information design, graphic design tutorials, graphic design portfolio, graphic design course, online learning, graphic design photoshop, graphic design trends 2024, how to draw, data scientist, Federica fragapane, accurat, AccessibilityInDesign, EngagingVisuals, Inspiration, DataNarratives, VisualizationDesign, InstagramPortfolio, BehancePortfolio, mathematics, Al, machine learning Subscribe to the PolicyViz Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Become a patron of the PolicyViz Podcast [https://patreon.com/policyviz?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink] for as little as a buck a month CHECK OUT ANDY'S WEBSITE [https://visualisingdata.com/] AND GRAB HIS NEW BOOK, DATA VISUALISATION: A HANDBOOK FOR DATA DRIVEN DESIGN [https://amzn.to/43nnPr6]. Follow me on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jschwabish/?hl=en],  LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanschwabish/],  Substack [https://jschwabish.substack.com/],  Twitter [https://twitter.com/jschwabish],  Website [https://policyviz.com/],  YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/c/JonSchwabish] Email: jon@policyviz.com [jschwabish@gmail.com]

In this episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I have the pleasure of talking with Harsha Mallajosyula, Director of Data at the Black Wealth Data Center [https://blackwealthdata.org/], about the center’s mission to provide accessible, high-quality data on racial wealth equity in the United States. Harsha shares insights into how the center aggregates and cleans data from public and private sources, making it easier for policymakers, researchers, and advocates to understand and address racial wealth disparities. He discusses the challenges of merging datasets with different racial classifications, the importance of data transparency, and the center’s shift toward more intuitive, mobile-friendly visualization tools. Harsha also highlights the future of the Black Wealth Data Center, including the use of AI and machine learning for data improvement, expanding user research, and developing new tools for deeper insights. Keywords: data equity, racial wealth gap, Black Wealth Data Center, data accessibility, public policy, data visualization, data transparency, racial wealth equity, social impact, data science, policy analysis, economic disparities, AI in data, wealth accumulation, public-private partnerships Subscribe to the PolicyViz Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Become a patron of the PolicyViz Podcast [https://patreon.com/policyviz?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink] for as little as a buck a month Check out the Black Wealth Data Center [https://blackwealthdata.org/] Follow me on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jschwabish/?hl=en],  LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanschwabish/],  Substack [https://jschwabish.substack.com/],  Twitter [https://twitter.com/jschwabish],  Website [https://policyviz.com/],  YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/c/JonSchwabish] Email: jon@policyviz.com [jschwabish@gmail.com]

In this episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic joins me to discuss the evolution of her work in data storytelling—from corporate workshops to her newest venture into children’s literature. We explore how the pandemic transformed training formats, the collaborative nature of her team, and the creative process behind her latest book, Daphne Draws Data. Cole reflects on the importance of introducing kids to the visual language of data early in life and shares how simple storytelling principles can empower learners of any age. Keywords: data, data visualization, flourish, graphic design, how to, information design, graphic design tutorials, graphic design portfolio, graphic design course, online learning, graphic design photoshop, graphic design trends 2024, how to draw, data scientist, Federica fragapane, accurat, AccessibilityInDesign, EngagingVisuals, Inspiration, DataNarratives, VisualizationDesign, InstagramPortfolio, BehancePortfolio, mathematics, Al, machine learning Subscribe to the PolicyViz Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Become a patron of the PolicyViz Podcast [https://patreon.com/policyviz?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink] for as little as a buck a month Check out Cole's latest book, Daphe Draws Data on Amazon [https://amzn.to/4kC2Sjp] or wherever you get your books! Follow me on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jschwabish/?hl=en],  LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanschwabish/],  Substack [https://jschwabish.substack.com/],  Twitter [https://twitter.com/jschwabish],  Website [https://policyviz.com/],  YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/c/JonSchwabish] Email: jon@policyviz.com [jschwabish@gmail.com]