The RunOut Podcast

The RunOut #168: Finger Bangers Ball with Lillian Frances

What good is finger strength if you don’t know how to use it?  Lillian Frances is a self-produced indie pop star based in LA who has written a new manual called Finger Banging For Climber Boys* (And Everyone Else). We discuss all things digital stimulation and and celebrate centering female pleasure. But first, what gets you stoked in climbing right now? Yer hyped-up hosts review some of the latest climbing news to surf the swell of stoke. For today’s final bit, of course, we’re bringing back our guest Lillian Frances with her song Touching You. Check out the show notes for links to Lillian’s music, book, and more. Show Notes Follow Lillian Frances: https://www.instagram.com/lillianfrancess/ [https://www.instagram.com/lillianfrancess/] Follow Finger Banging for Climber Boys: http://instagram.com/fingerbangingforclimberboys [http://instagram.com/fingerbangingforclimberboys] Buy the book: https://fingerbangingforclimberboys.com [https://fingerbangingforclimberboys.com/] Official website / EPK: https://www.lillianfrancesmusic.com/epk [https://www.lillianfrancesmusic.com/epk] Bandcamp: https://lillianfrances.bandcamp.com [https://lillianfrances.bandcamp.com/] SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/lillianfrances [https://soundcloud.com/lillianfrances] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/LillianFrances [https://www.youtube.com/c/LillianFrances] Reagan on Tales of Power in Yosemite: https://www.youtube.com/@reagan_rocks_rides [https://www.youtube.com/@reagan_rocks_rides] Yannik Flohé downgrades everything: https://www.lacrux.com/en/klettern/Yannick-Flohe-repeats-%22No-One-Mourns-the-Wicked%22-and-downgrades-it-to-8c [https://www.lacrux.com/en/klettern/Yannick-Flohe-repeats-%22No-One-Mourns-the-Wicked%22-and-downgrades-it-to-8c] Patagonia news: https://www.climbing.com/news/climbers-spent-40-days-wall-patagonia/ [https://www.climbing.com/news/climbers-spent-40-days-wall-patagonia/] Adam Ondra: https://www.youtube.com/@AdamOndra/videos [https://www.youtube.com/@AdamOndra/videos] New harness bag: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/lithos-sl-harness-9982 [https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/lithos-sl-harness-9982] Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast [http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast] Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com [andrew@runoutpodcast.com] // chris@runoutpodcast.com [chris@runoutpodcast.com]

The RunOut #167: Matt Samet on documenting the state of climbing this year

Matt Samet is a sport-climbing pioneer, climbing lifer, writer, editor, and literary icon. His new role at the American Alpine Club is launching the American Climbing Journal, an annual perfect-bound book documenting the biggest and most interesting ascents of the year. But first, what would it take to get you to quit climbing? Kalous briefly dreams of taking the easy way out before Bisharat knocks some sense into him, as per usual. Last but never least, our final bit comes from climber Stefan Levinson, stage name WITHANEFF and the track Are Zombies Happy. Show Notes Follow Matt Samet — https://www.instagram.com/phorrizzler6514/ [https://www.instagram.com/phorrizzler6514/] Follow the American Alpine Club — https://www.instagram.com/americanalpine/ [https://www.instagram.com/americanalpine/] Follow the American Alpine Journal — https://www.instagram.com/americanalpinejournal/ [https://www.instagram.com/americanalpinejournal/] AAC — https://americanalpineclub.org [https://americanalpineclub.org/] Stefan Levinson / WITHANEFF — https://soundcloud.com/stefanwithaneff [https://soundcloud.com/stefanwithaneff] Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast [http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast]

The RunOut #166: Melissa Strong: Grit, Healing, and Second Chances

Melissa Strong is a climber, restaurateur, and writer. In 2017, she nearly lost her life in an electrical accident that left her with amputated and disfigured hands. Her new book is called Climbing Through: A Courageous Story of Grit, Healing, and Second Chances. But first, we talk (more) about Dean Potter, the late climbing and BASE jumping visionary who is the subject of a new documentary called The Dark Wizard. Today’s final bit is a listener-submitted homage to some climbing partners and community, from Daniel Kent. Show Notes Melissa Strong: https://www.melissaistrong.com [https://www.melissaistrong.com/] Follow Melissa Strong: https://www.instagram.com/melissaistrong/ [https://www.instagram.com/melissaistrong/] “Climbing Through: A Courageous Story of Grit, Healing, and Second Chances: https://www.melissaistrong.com/about [https://www.melissaistrong.com/about] Watch The Dark Wizard: https://www.hbomax.com/shows/dark-wizard/76e78c26-21c9-45b4-b84b-4c3e1f8ff763 [https://www.hbomax.com/shows/dark-wizard/76e78c26-21c9-45b4-b84b-4c3e1f8ff763] Still getting “free climbing” wrong: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/the-dark-wizard-hbo-max-review/ [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/the-dark-wizard-hbo-max-review/] The True Story Behind The Dark Wizard, via TIME: https://time.com/article/2026/04/13/the-dark-wizard-dean-potter-true-story/ [https://time.com/article/2026/04/13/the-dark-wizard-dean-potter-true-story/] Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast [http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast] Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com [andrew@runoutpodcast.com] // chris@runoutpodcast.com [chris@runoutpodcast.com]

The RunOut #165: Chasing the big projects with Ethan Salvo

Ethan Salvo is a Canadian climber based in Squamish, who’s best known as the first Canadian to climb V16. That same week, he also climbed Dreamcatcher, Chris Sharma’s 5.14d. And this past he winter, he climbed Lucid Dreaming, the V15 in Bishop. But first, your lukewarm podcast hosts discuss a hot take: Was hang dogging a mistake? Our final bit is Jess Steven with a cover of “Black Flies” Show Notes Follow Ethan Salvo: https://www.instagram.com/ethansalvo [https://www.instagram.com/ethansalvo] Ethan Salvo on Substack: https://ethansalvo.substack.com [https://ethansalvo.substack.com/] https://blackdiamondequipment.com/blogs/stories/event-horizon [https://blackdiamondequipment.com/blogs/stories/event-horizon] Follow Jessica Steven: https://www.instagram.com/peace.and.choss [https://www.instagram.com/peace.and.choss?igsh=ZHV2dHNtbnM4c2M4] Jessica Steven: https://jessicasteven.weebly.com/ [https://jessicasteven.weebly.com/] This episode is sponsored by Patagonia. Check out their new Free Wall Kit: https://www.patagonia.com/free-wall-kit/ [https://www.patagonia.com/free-wall-kit/] Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast [http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast] Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com [andrew@runoutpodcast.com] // chris@runoutpodcast.com [chris@runoutpodcast.com]

The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes

Margo Hayes is a professional climber, model, musician, and artist — and she’s best known as the first woman to climb 5.15a, a grade she reached not just once, but three times: La Rambla, Biographie, and Papichulo. In recent years, a battle with Lyme disease has made climbing at her limit difficult, and she’s channeled her energy into art, music, and writing. Her new book, The Margo Method, outlines her approach to climbing and health. But first, we pore over the details of a very interesting, precedent-setting case involving a manslaughter conviction after a winter mountaineering ascent turns tragic.  Our final bit is a San Diego rock band called Half Hour Late, with their song Ain’t Nothing New. Show Notes Follow Margo Hayes: https://www.instagram.com/margojain/ [https://www.instagram.com/margojain/] “The Margo Method: Strong and Soft”: https://margohayes.com/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft [https://margohayes.com/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnWcoduY7HyEXhLVP1MyTkBc7_3l-w6PGWRzhp0nzpqbYoMX97_OTmHTw7QcU_aem_EZnWgNSp69NYy1zKD90JSg] Margo’s music: “Notes To You”: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/margojain/notes-to-you [https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/margojain/notes-to-you] Austrian Man Found Guilty in Girlfriend’s Death on Mountain Hike: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/19/world/europe/austrian-man-girlfriend-death-mountain-hike-guilty.html [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/19/world/europe/austrian-man-girlfriend-death-mountain-hike-guilty.html] Follow Half Hour Late: https://www.instagram.com/halfhourlate/ [https://www.instagram.com/halfhourlate/] https://halfhourlate.com [https://halfhourlate.com] https://open.spotify.com/track/3XC0lgx3HJO2zsNoPJ7C2l?si=7a3ef6a566904b5d THE NEW FREE WALL KIT FROM PATAGONIA This episode is sponsored by our friends at Patagonia. The new Free Wall Kit is a six piece kit designed to help you perform, rest, and recover on multi-pitch climbs. Check out the full kit here: https://www.patagonia.com/free-wall-kit/?utm_source=runout&utm_medium=endemic&utm_campaign=S26_freewallkit [https://www.patagonia.com/free-wall-kit/?utm_source=runout&utm_medium=endemic&utm_campaign=S26_freewallkit]