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In this week’s ThriveStack webinar, we sat down with Dave Boyce—author, product-led growth (PLG) advocate, and seasoned operator—to unpack the realities of freemium in SaaS. With AI transforming business models and unit economics, the debate around whether freemium accelerates growth or drains resources has never been more relevant. Dave shared lessons from his own journey from sales-led to PLG, and the hard truths behind monetization, activation, and product-market fit in today’s SaaS landscape. Key Insights * Freemium is just one monetization model. It’s not a silver bullet but part of a broader PLG strategy that includes free trials, reverse trials, and self-service onboarding. * Product-market fit comes before scaling. Freemium won’t save a product that hasn’t achieved early user success and retention. * Activation is everything. The first user impact (“first impact moment”) must happen before you ask for money; otherwise, monetization attempts backfire. * Marketing still matters. PLG doesn’t eliminate marketing—it shifts focus toward growth loops, viral mechanics, and blended acquisition strategies. * Established companies struggle with PLG. Legacy sales-led orgs face cultural and operational resistance, but adjacent plays (e.g., self-service renewals, expansion features) offer practical entry points. Actionable Takeaways * Start with founder-led selling. In early stages, hustle for feedback before chasing signups at scale. * Instrument activation. Define and track the “first impact” moment that signals true product-market fit. * Align monetization with value delivery. Trigger paywalls only after customers experience impact. * Experiment relentlessly. Treat failed freemium experiments as data points—iterate quickly to find what sticks. * Incentivize sales teams correctly. Remove channel conflict by giving quota credit for PLG-driven expansions. * Layer PLG adjacently in mature orgs. Start with renewals or expansions before tackling top-of-funnel freemium. Resources Mentioned * Dave Boyce’s new book on Freemium and PLG (launching August 26, available on Amazon). * PLG MBA Program (referenced as part of Dave’s background). * ThriveStack Customer Analytics – for tracking activation, retention, and growth loops. * Case studies of Dropbox, MongoDB, Clickhouse, Timescale, MotherDuck, and others on freemium and PLG strategies. If you’re a SaaS founder or growth leader navigating the tension between scaling fast and building to last, you’ll want to catch this conversation. 🎧 Loved the episode?Subscribe to ThriveCast for more behind-the-scenes stories from the builders shaping the future of SaaS. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.hybridgtm.com [https://www.hybridgtm.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

ThriveStack and Dave HershAug 20, 2025 In this fireside chat, Gururaj Pandurangi sits down with Dave Hersh, founding CEO of Jive Software and now a coach to startup founders and leaders. From scaling Jive from bootstrapped beginnings to IPO, to guiding today’s SaaS teams through turbulent markets, Dave shares a candid look at what’s broken in venture-backed growth, what founders should focus on instead, and how to align both investors and customers without losing sight of purpose. We explore his founder journey, the tension between investor pressure and customer needs, the waste of premature scaling, and why he believes emotional-market fit—the resonance a product has with its users—matters just as much as product-market fit. Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Castbox, Google, and YouTube. “Growth without profit, without purpose, can become toxic. The real challenge is building something that grows and endures.”— Dave Hersh, Founding CEO of Jive Software Key Insights ⚖️ Investor Pressure vs. Customer NeedsWhy short-term expectations often distort long-term product and strategy decisions—and how founders can rebalance. 💸 The Waste in Venture CapitalGrowth-at-all-costs has left many companies fragile. Dave explains how to recognize premature scaling before it’s too late. ❤️ Emotional-Market FitBeyond functionality, companies win when they create loyalty and resonance with customers at an emotional level. 🚀 Coaching Conscious LeadersAfter Jive, Dave dedicated his time to helping founders navigate growth without burning out themselves—or their companies. Actionable Takeaways * For Founders: Don’t let investor expectations define your roadmap; customer outcomes should. * For Growth Leaders: Emotional resonance is the moat—look beyond metrics to why people truly care. * For Investors: Hypergrowth isn’t a strategy; durability is. * For SaaS Teams: Build models that balance profit with growth from day one. Resources Mentioned * Jive Software IPO journey * Conscious leadership frameworks * ThriveStack Customer Analytics: www.thrivestack.ai [https://www.thrivestack.ai/?utm_source=chatgpt.com] If you’re a SaaS founder or growth leader navigating the tension between scaling fast and building to last, you’ll want to catch this conversation. 🎧 Loved the episode?Subscribe to ThriveCast for more behind-the-scenes stories from the builders shaping the future of SaaS. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.hybridgtm.com [https://www.hybridgtm.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

In SaaS, getting sign-ups is only half the battle. The real challenge lies in ensuring those users activate — reaching the moment when they first experience real value from your product. This milestone, often called the “aha moment”, is a key predictor of whether users will stay, convert to paid, and grow with your product. In this conversation, growth advisor Andrew Capland shares his perspective on what activation really means, why so many companies get it wrong, and how to identify and fix the leaks that silently drain your growth. Listen now on Apple [https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/thrivecast/id1695515492], Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/7656U9FOP8DeYLH09Xg0yP], Castbox [https://castbox.fm/channel/ThriveCast-id5627613?country=gb], Google [https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hcGkuc3Vic3RhY2suY29tL2ZlZWQvcG9kY2FzdC8xNjYzNDczLnJzcw?sa=X&ved=0CAMQ4aUDahcKEwjAgdTQjsaDAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ] and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@ThriveStack/videos]. "Activation is the output. If we do a great job with onboarding and the new user experience, the result should be that new accounts activate — and that’s the signal they’re likely to become active, paying customers."— Andrew Capland Key Insights * Activation ≠ Onboarding: Onboarding is the process; activation is the outcome. * Value First: The “aha moment” — when a user truly understands your product’s value — is the turning point for retention and monetization. * Trackable Signals: Activation should be tied to measurable events that correlate with long-term use and conversion. * Common Leaks: Poor onboarding flows, unclear value propositions, and friction points can delay or prevent activation. * Fix with Experiments: Identify leaks, measure impact, and run iterative experiments to improve time-to-value. Actionable Takeaways * Define your activation metric — Identify a clear, measurable event that signifies users have reached their first value. * Map the journey to activation — Understand every step from sign-up to “aha” and identify friction points. * Audit your onboarding flow — Remove unnecessary steps, clarify value, and guide users toward the activation event quickly. * Segment your analysis — Look at activation rates by acquisition channel, persona, or plan to uncover hidden leaks. * Run targeted experiments — Test changes to onboarding, messaging, or product experience and measure their impact on activation rates. A huge thank you to Andrew Capland for joining us and sharing his deep expertise on activation and growth.If you want to explore more of Andrew’s work, check out his website Deliver Value Faster [https://www.deliveringvalue.co/], where he shares actionable frameworks, courses, and resources to help SaaS teams accelerate user activation and long-term growth. Resources * “Value First” Onboarding framework [https://deliveringvalue.co/growth-essays/the-value-first-onboarding-framework] - by Andrew Capland * The Growth Operating System [https://deliveringvalue.co/growth-operating-system] - by Andrew Capland 🎧 Loved the episode?Subscribe to ThriveCast for more behind-the-scenes stories from the builders shaping the future of SaaS. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.hybridgtm.com [https://www.hybridgtm.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

In this episode, we chat with Jordan Tigani, co-creator of BigQuery and now CEO of MotherDuck, a next-gen, serverless analytics platform built on top of DuckDB. Jordan walks us through his journey from leading engineering and product at Google to building a lean, developer-first company that’s challenging the assumptions of modern data infrastructure. We explore his pivot from enterprise-heavy go-to-market models to a bold product-led growth (PLG) approach, his views on usage-based pricing, open-source collaboration, and what AI hasn't done for the data world—yet. Listen now on Apple [https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/thrivecast/id1695515492], Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/7656U9FOP8DeYLH09Xg0yP], Castbox [https://castbox.fm/channel/ThriveCast-id5627613?country=gb], Google [https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hcGkuc3Vic3RhY2suY29tL2ZlZWQvcG9kY2FzdC8xNjYzNDczLnJzcw?sa=X&ved=0CAMQ4aUDahcKEwjAgdTQjsaDAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ] and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@ThriveStack/videos]. Most big data workloads are actually start small. You just don’t need massive infrastructure to do great analytics.— Jordan Tigani, CEO, MotherDuck Key Insights * Big Data is Overrated: Most companies don't actually need "big data" infrastructure. The vast majority of workloads, even at large organizations, are run over small data. * Why MotherDuck Exists: Inspired by the elegance and power of DuckDB, Jordan saw an opportunity for a cloud-native, serverless experience that could scale down as easily as it scales up. * The PLG vs. Sales Balance: While MotherDuck began with a PLG motion, Jordan shares why they now employ a hybrid strategy—PLG to drive adoption, sales to deepen engagement and expansion. * Open Source Partnerships Done Right: DuckDB Labs owns a co-founder equity stake in MotherDuck, ensuring tight alignment and seamless collaboration—without code forking or IP conflicts. * Usage-Based Pricing = Real-Time Value Alignment: Tying revenue to actual usage helps MotherDuck scale quickly, but also makes forecasting tricky. Jordan discusses how they manage this trade-off. * AI Hasn’t Changed Everything (Yet): Despite the AI boom, Jordan believes its impact on the data infrastructure layer is still emerging. However, he sees internal applications—especially enrichment and ops—as low-hanging fruit. Actionable Takeaways * For Data Founders: If you're building for developers, your product must deliver immediate value—because you won’t get a second chance in PLG. * For Open Source Builders: Consider strategic partnerships like MotherDuck’s—sharing upside with core maintainers can lead to long-term stability and innovation. * For Growth Teams: Don’t ignore the long tail. Winning developer love at the grassroots can be a wedge into enterprise later. * For Revenue Leaders: A blended GTM motion (PLG + sales-assist) allows you to capture low-touch users while accelerating high-touch deals. Invest in enrichment early. * For AI Skeptics: You don’t need to “become an AI company” overnight. Focus on where AI truly adds operational or user-facing leverage today—and stay adaptable. Resources Mentioned: * MotherDuck: www.motherduck.com [https://motherduck.com/] * PLG Model Calculator: https://www.thrivestack.ai/gtm-maturity [https://www.thrivestack.ai/gtm-maturity] * Big Data is Dead by Jordan Tigani: https://motherduck.com/blog/big-data-is-dead/ [https://motherduck.com/blog/big-data-is-dead/] If you're tired of bloated, expensive data warehouses and want a faster, leaner, developer-first alternative—check out MotherDuck [https://motherduck.com]. 🎧 Loved the episode?Subscribe to ThriveCast for more behind-the-scenes stories from the builders shaping the future of SaaS. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.hybridgtm.com [https://www.hybridgtm.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

In this Thrivecast episode, Gururaj P [https://www.linkedin.com/in/gururajp/] hosts Christian Nielsen [https://www.linkedin.com/in/cbjerre/], the Chief Product Officer and co-founder of uQualio [https://uqualio.com/], a Copenhagen-based SaaS company revolutionizing video learning. Christian shares actionable strategies and lessons from uQualio's journey as a bootstrapped, product-led growth (PLG) business. From pricing and onboarding to abuse prevention, Christian explains how uQualio tackled challenges that SaaS founders often face. This episode is packed with insights for startups looking to scale effectively, keep operations lean, and prioritize customer experience. Listen now on Apple [https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/thrivecast/id1695515492], Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/7656U9FOP8DeYLH09Xg0yP], Castbox [https://castbox.fm/channel/ThriveCast-id5627613?country=gb], Google [https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hcGkuc3Vic3RhY2suY29tL2ZlZWQvcG9kY2FzdC8xNjYzNDczLnJzcw?sa=X&ved=0CAMQ4aUDahcKEwjAgdTQjsaDAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ] and YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@ThriveStack/videos]. Key Insights and Actionable Takeaways: * Start Small, Validate Early: * uQualio started by reaching out directly to early customers, selling the idea before the product was fully ready. * Action: Leverage existing networks and prioritize learning from early adopters. Validate your product’s value proposition with real users before scaling. * Optimize for Self-Service: * Christian emphasized the importance of creating a lean organization focused on automation rather than building a large sales team. * Action: Invest in a seamless self-serve onboarding experience to lower customer acquisition costs (CAC) and enable users to experience the product value quickly. * Prevent Abuse Before It Happens: * To protect resources and ensure fair usage, uQualio implemented measures like blocking malicious domains, requiring real email addresses, and limiting premium features to paid accounts. * Action: Use tools and processes to filter temporary email addresses, spam accounts, and bots during signup to reduce costs and improve user quality. * Leverage PLG to Align Growth with Pricing Models: * uQualio’s low-cost, pay-as-you-go pricing model required a high volume of customers. PLG was the natural choice to scale efficiently. * Action: If your pricing model is low-cost and high-volume, ensure your PLG strategy focuses on driving activation and retention through in-product experiences. * Prioritize User Experience for Retention: * A significant shift for uQualio was realizing that a poor UX could hinder conversions. They refined their onboarding to highlight “aha” moments within the first 30 minutes. * Action: Map the customer journey and ensure users hit a clear value milestone early in their interaction with your product. Test and iterate based on drop-off points. * Tailor Marketing to the Right Audience: * Early marketing efforts targeted companies that lacked video expertise. These customers often abandoned trials, leading to wasted resources. Refining ICP (Ideal Customer Profile) improved conversion rates. * Action: Analyze your audience’s readiness for your product. Use filters (e.g., companies already using video) to ensure you’re engaging with the right leads. * Combine Automation with Personal Touch: * uQualio combined automated email sequences with manual outreach to personalize interactions for high-quality leads. * Action: Automate repetitive tasks but step in with tailored messaging for high-potential prospects. Use CRM integrations to track user actions and guide outreach. * Educate Instead of Selling: * Christian highlighted the importance of providing value upfront through educational content, webinars, and resources rather than aggressively pitching the product. * Action: Develop content that addresses customer pain points and adds value. Position your product as a solution within that context rather than pushing it directly. Standout Moment:"If your product doesn’t guide users to an ‘aha moment’ quickly, they won’t return. UX isn’t just design; it’s the engine for driving adoption and retention." – Christian Nielsen Resources Mentioned: * uQualio: www.uqualio.com [https://www.uqualio.com] * PLG Model Calculator: https://www.thrivestack.ai/gtm-maturity [https://www.thrivestack.ai/gtm-maturity] * The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss For More Insights:Subscribe to Thrivecast to learn from founders who are redefining how startups scale and succeed. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.hybridgtm.com [https://www.hybridgtm.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]