Uncharted State

From First Year to Final Defense with Dr. Angi Bourgeois

In this episode of UnchartED State, host Susan Seal sits down with Dr. Angi Bourgeois, Senior Vice Provost and Dean of the Graduate School at Mississippi State University, to explore the evolving role of general and graduate education in today’s rapidly changing landscape. From the value of general education courses to the growing complexity of graduate pathways, Dr. Bourgeois shares insights on how higher education can better prepare students not just for their first job, but for long-term success in an unpredictable world. The conversation challenges the idea of education as purely transactional and instead highlights its role in developing critical thinking, adaptability, and lifelong learning. Together, they discuss how institutions can balance workforce demands with broader educational goals, why general education remains a vital foundation, and how graduate programs are adapting to meet the needs of both students and employers. As higher education continues to evolve, this episode underscores the importance of preparing students for more than a career—but for a lifetime of growth and impact. In This Episode: * The role and relevance of general education in today’s colleges and universities * How graduate education is evolving to meet changing workforce needs * Balancing job preparation with critical thinking and lifelong learning * Rethinking education as more than a transactional experience * Preparing students for long-term success in a rapidly changing world

Rethinking Education and Workforce Alignment with Scott Waller

In this episode of UnchartED State, co-hosts Susan Seal and Maddie Ludt are joined by Scott Waller of the Mississippi Business Alliance to explore the critical connection between education and workforce development in Mississippi. From shifting perceptions of higher education to the growing importance of career pathways and stackable credentials, Scott shares insights on how students, institutions, and employers can better align to meet the demands of today’s economy, while also rethinking what “college” means and how success is defined beyond a traditional degree. The conversation dives into how Mississippi can strengthen its talent pipeline, why collaboration between education and industry is essential for economic growth, and the challenges of retaining talent and creating clearer pathways to employment. As the state works to build a more resilient and competitive workforce, this episode underscores the importance of alignment, adaptability, and a shared vision for the future of education and work. In This Episode: * The rise of career pathways and stackable credentials * Rethinking the value and definition of a college degree * Aligning education with workforce and economic needs * Strengthening Mississippi’s talent pipeline and retaining talent * The role of business, policy, and education in driving growth * Why clearer connections between learning and careers matter more than ever

Inside the Pressure Cooker: Online Education, Policy, and the Push to Adapt with Stacy Snow

In this episode of UnchartED State, co-hosts Susan Seal and Maddie Ludt are joined by Stacy Snow, Principal at Kennedy & Company, to explore the evolving pressures shaping online education today.  From shifting federal and state policies to increased scrutiny of the vendor marketplace, institutions are being pushed to rethink how they build and sustain online programs. Stacy shares insights from her work helping universities launch more than 140 online programs, emphasizing a critical shift: success is no longer about scale. It’s about relevance. The conversation dives into how institutions can better align programs with regional workforce needs, why most online students still come from close to home, and the importance of asking the right questions before launching or expanding programs. They also tackle the harder realities facing leaders today—financial uncertainty, policy instability, and the growing impact of change fatigue across teams. As higher ed navigates constant disruption, this episode highlights the importance of internal capacity building, stakeholder alignment, and staying focused on what matters most: creating meaningful, student-centered experiences. In This Episode: * Why relevance—not volume—is driving online program success * The myth of “build it and they will come” in online education * How geography and community still shape online enrollment * Navigating federal policy shifts, funding uncertainty, and compliance pressures * The real impact of change fatigue on higher ed teams * Why transformative change often happens only in crisis * Building internal capacity in a shifting vendor and OPM landscape

A Moment to Celebrate: Graduation Season & What’s Ahead

No new episode of UnchartED State this week! We’re pausing to celebrate our graduates and this milestone season. Catch up on past episodes, share your favorites, and stay tuned. New conversations are coming this summer! 🎓

What AI Means for the University with Dr. Julie Jordan

In this episode of UnchartED State, co-hosts Susan Seal and Maddie Ludt are joined by Dr. Julie Jordan, Mississippi State University's first Senior Advisor for Artificial Intelligence and Data Governance. Dr. Jordan shares how AI has evolved from a niche technology into something more like electricity: embedded in everything and impossible to ignore. The conversation examines how universities are navigating this acceleration, the challenges of institutional pace and adoption, and broader implications for the labor market, knowledge work, and the long-standing "social contract" of higher education. From billion-dollar data centers rising across Mississippi to free AI models you can run offline on your phone, this episode covers a lot of ground while staying rooted in what it all means for the university. In This Episode: * Why AI is being compared to electricity, not just another tech trend * When three-to-five-year plans become three-to-five-week plans * How AI is reshaping jobs, skills, and the value of a degree * Creating space for faculty to tinker, explore, and talk about it * Equity, access, and downloadable AI models for rural learners * Why communication and human connection matter more than ever