Now They’re Emailing Our Friends

Who’s the Psyop Now?

The future of getting paid for our songs rests on blockchain vs. bureaucracy, as Will reports back on Australian musician Jo Loewenthal's 19-part "deep forensic investigation" of global publishing. We also touch on the launch of Subvert after opening with a dismissal of the year's biggest Upsample-core story. (0:00) We're skipping Pysop Geese-gate (2:35) Subvert launched (8:55) The joloew [https://www.instagram.com/joloew] publishing investigation (32:17) Joel Gouveia [https://joelgouveia.substack.com/p/the-most-profitable-glitch-in-the ] covers the same story (39:16) Blockchain? (53:08) Recommendations Recs: * Will - watch Living for the City [https://www.youtube.com/@LivingfortheCityPod] hosted by Hanif Abdurraqib, keeping in mind that Live Nation is producing it * Carson - listen to My New Band Believe [https://mynewbandbelieve.bandcamp.com/album/my-new-band-believe] FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Ticket Talk w/ Gigpit Co-Founder Evan Dungate

Evan Dungate of Gigpit [https://gigpit.ca] joins us! Gigpit, headquartered in Victoria and also running in Vancouver, is a new local live music platform that offers concert listings and a ticketing service, currently with no fees. The company has five young co-founders: Evan, Aidan Polglase, Ellie Scott, Josh Taylor, and MacKenzie Joyal. Will and Carson get a feel for their work and take a detour in the middle to discuss the Live Nation / Ticketmaster U.S. DOJ case. (0:00) Let's get our $200k! (1:46) Evan's background (7:21) The Gigpit team (10:33) Ticketing & no-fee PWYC model (20:21) Live Nation found liable by jury (27:15) Ticketweb & stealth subsidiaries (31:59) Handling the pressure to grow (34:51) How to win a presenter? (38:48) Writing & video sessions (44:15) How to get involved with Gigpit (49:18) The Shaggy story (50:46) Recommendations with Evan Recs: * Evan - Standard Issue Pleasure Model - [https://standardissuepleasuremodel.bandcamp.com/album/tripsitter]Tripsitter [https://standardissuepleasuremodel.bandcamp.com/album/tripsitter] | Christopher Atkins - [https://christopheratkins.bandcamp.com/track/another-year]Another Year [https://christopheratkins.bandcamp.com/track/another-year] | Hedonist - [https://hedonistsl.bandcamp.com/album/scapulimancy]Scapulimancy [https://hedonistsl.bandcamp.com/album/scapulimancy] * Will - check out Infinite Catalog’s breakdown of Spotify’s Loud & Clear PR stats [https://infinitecatalog.substack.com/p/louder-and-clearer-2026-part-1-the] * Carson - Charlotte Cornfield - [https://charlottecornfield.bandcamp.com/album/hurts-like-hell ]Hurts Like Hell [https://charlottecornfield.bandcamp.com/album/hurts-like-hell ] FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Sora Shutdown, Spotify Profile Protection, AI Can't Write

(0:00) Toronto Blue Jays opening day (2:31) Will's physical media level-up (4:59) OpenAI shuts down Sora (17:35) Spotify Artist Profile Protection (30:29) Jasmine Sun on AI and creative writing (50:44) Triple recommendations Carson recs: * Gregory Uhlmann - [https://intlanthem.bandcamp.com/album/extra-stars]Extra Stars [https://intlanthem.bandcamp.com/album/extra-stars], * Photokem - [https://photokem.bandcamp.com/album/a-mat-in-the-garden]A Mat in the Garden [https://photokem.bandcamp.com/album/a-mat-in-the-garden], * kJADE - [https://kjade.bandcamp.com/album/on-everything-i-love]On Everything I Love [https://kjade.bandcamp.com/album/on-everything-i-love]. Will recs: * Tomeka Reid Quartet - [https://outofyourheadrecords.bandcamp.com/album/dance-skip-hop]dance! skip! Hop! [https://outofyourheadrecords.bandcamp.com/album/dance-skip-hop], * Marquis Hill - [https://marquishill.bandcamp.com/album/beautifulism-sweet-surrender](Beautifulism) Sweet Surrender [https://marquishill.bandcamp.com/album/beautifulism-sweet-surrender], * smush - [https://smushcore.bandcamp.com/album/standards-ep]standards EP [https://smushcore.bandcamp.com/album/standards-ep]. FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Getting Taken Down is Cool & SOCAN vs. AI

let's talk about fully automated slopitalism and the threats to performance rights organizations & songwriters No episode 2 weeks from now (Mar. 13), we return later in March. (0:00) Music MCP (which got taken down) (8:40) SOCAN's AI policies & advocacy (36:23) "Pre-deplatformed" cool content (50:27) Dave King of The Bad Plus' rant (54:54) Recommendations 1. Darren Hemmings linking to Music MCP at [https://networknotes.motiveunknown.com/p/death-by-a-thousand-bots]Network Notes [https://networknotes.motiveunknown.com/p/death-by-a-thousand-bots] 2. SOCAN "Stop Unlicensed AI Training" petition [https://win.newmode.net/socan/stopunlicensedaitraining ] 3. Ryan Broderick's story at Garbage Day: "The only taboo left is copyright infringement: the future of media is pre-deplatformed" [https://www.garbageday.email/p/the-only-taboo-left-is-copyright-infringement] 4. Nate Chinen's interview at [https://thegig.substack.com/p/the-bad-plus-near-the-finish-line ]The Gig [https://thegig.substack.com/p/the-bad-plus-near-the-finish-line ] with Dave King and Reid Anderson of The Bad Plus [https://thegig.substack.com/p/the-bad-plus-near-the-finish-line ] Recs: Will - watch Sun Ra: Do The Impossible [https://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/sun-ra-do-the-impossible-documentary/37455/] on PBS [https://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/sun-ra-do-the-impossible-documentary/37455/] (if you can) and listen to the music of Sun Ra and his Arkestra, Carson - listen to The Call [https://bellbirdband.bandcamp.com/album/the-call ] by Bellbird [https://bellbirdband.bandcamp.com/album/the-call ] FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Post-American Internet

"Move fast and break... Kings!" That's what Cory Doctorow calls for in his recent talk [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39jsstmmUUs ]. We discuss a potential "post-American internet" future per that talk, then we weave in two related stories: Anna's Archive scraping virtually all of Spotify for torrenting, and Pitchfork launching a paywall. No episode 2 weeks from now (Feb. 13), we return later in February. (0:00) Intro (2:15) Cory Doctorow talk (38:35) Anna's Archive scrapes Spotify (53:17) Pitchfork paywall (1:02:17) Recommendations Legal complaint against Anna's Archive here [https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/files/2026/01/Annas-Archive.pdf]. Recs: Will - listen to Catalog Club podcast series by Steven Hyden at [https://stevenhyden.substack.com/p/introducing-catalog-club ]Evil Speakers [https://stevenhyden.substack.com/p/introducing-catalog-club ] on Substack [https://stevenhyden.substack.com/p/introducing-catalog-club ], which covered Lucinda Williams in January. Carson - read Richard Powers novels, including The Echo Maker which Carson gave to Will. FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.