From Certainty to Curiosity with Poet Fi Kahani
In this episode, I sit down with Fi Kahani — poet, digital nomad, and host of The Sound of Listening podcast — to talk about the practice of not knowing. Fi is someone whose worldview has been scrambled more than once, and instead of retreating, she's made that scramble a way of life. We get into what happened when people she respected came out as Trump voters, what it cost her when a close friendship couldn't survive their differences, and why she puts a disclaimer on her posts calling her own work "likely misinformation, propaganda, opinion, fluff and nonsense."
This conversation covers a lot of terrain — from close relationships to the way we show up politically to pet hamsters. We talk about healing as what sustains activism, distress tolerance as a political skill, and what it actually takes to notice your own disgust toward an idea and get curious instead of shutting down.
0:00 Welcome
4:00 Fi's disclaimer: "This post is likely misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, opinion, fluff and nonsense"
6:30 The Yogananda quote — honoring and witnessing without judgment
9:00 Spiritual centrism and political nonduality
11:00 Fi's origin story and having her worldviews scrambled
14:30 Multiple realities and the limits of what we can actually know
15:00 A friendship that fell apart
17:00 Grief and letting things die so new things can come
21:00 Children are wired for justice
22:00 Healing sustains activism, not replaces it
25:00 Going within — the only landscape you can truly know
27:00 "You do not accept reality, so how could you ever accept love?"
31:00 Global shadow work
32:00 Helpful vs unhelpful thoughts
34:00 Noticing disgust toward an opposing idea and getting curious
36:00 Most people are walking the middle path of the extremes they know
39:00 Distress tolerance — from addiction therapy to politics
46:00 Unexpressed anger and the gift inside every emotion
49:00 The limitations of trying to change the world
51:30 Where to find Fi
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This episode is part of my April series on not knowing being a hallmark feature of our times.
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My book, When the World Hurts [https://www.wehealforall.com/book]
Substack: wehealforall.substack.com
Website: www.wehealforall.com
IG: @wehealforall
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