Counter-Errorism - Episode 15 - David Woods

Counter-Errorism - Episode 20 - Dave Provan

Get to know Dr. David Provan: Profile linkedin.com/in/david-provan-forgeworks [https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-provan-forgeworks/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base_contact_details%3BkYxLSNPuQA2req5mw1ZFIQ%3D%3D]      Email: david.provan@forgeworks.com [david.provan@forgeworks.com] Website: https://www.forgeworks.com/ [https://www.forgeworks.com/]                        Get his book: A Field Guide to Safety Professional Practice [https://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Safety-Professional-Practice/dp/0645226521/ref=sr_1_1?crid=S9HIABSBQOBR&keywords=safety+professional+practice+provan&qid=1652717866&sprefix=safety+professional+practice+provan%2Caps%2C291&sr=8-1] Podcast Co-host: The Safety of Work  [https://the-safety-of-work.simplecast.com/]                           Podcast Co-host: Punk Rock Safety [https://punkrocksafety.com/] Dave Provan shares powerful insights on bridging the massive gap between management and the frontline, emphasizing that true safety is found in operations, not paperwork. Here are the key lessons we learn from his approach: Compressing the Organization & Genuine Curiosity Provan emphasizes the critical need to "compress the organization" by ensuring leaders are deeply connected to the reality of frontline work. To do this effectively, leaders must set aside their assumptions and tap into genuine humility and curiosity. He suggests leaders consider an Undercover Boss analogy—asking themselves how surprised they would be if they actually had to work on their own frontline. Face-to-Work vs. Face-to-Screen Time A major barrier to this connection is how leaders spend their time. Provan breaks a supervisor's day into three categories: face-to-screen, face-to-face (meetings), and face-to-work. He points out the alarming reality that many supervisors spend up to 75% of their day "face-to-screen" and only 2% to 5% (roughly 8 to 10 minutes a day) physically at the work front observing the jobs they are responsible for. He strongly echoes the sentiment that a true "open door policy" means the manager's door is open because they are actively out of their office. Safety is a Verb, Not a Noun (Paperwork vs. Practice) Many industries still mistakenly believe that safety is defined by the forms filled out and the procedures followed. Provan illustrates this with a story about a pool construction crew who worked with incredible communication, pauses, and problem-solving, but felt they weren't "doing safety" simply because they lacked formal paperwork. Provan reminds us that safety is about verbs, not nouns—it is about having the capability, tools, time, and support to actually do the work well. Stop Wasting Time on Terminology Organizations often waste massive amounts of "organizational airspace" debating trivial terminology—such as spending half a day arguing whether a program should be called "Stop Work," "Pause Work," or "Timeout for Safety". Provan argues that splitting hairs over language avoids the actual hard work. Instead, leaders should focus purely on the outcome: making it easy and culturally acceptable for workers to reach out for help without feeling like they are bothering a busy supervisor. The Hypocrisy of Accountability Provan highlights a stark double standard in how companies view accountability. When he proposed creating a set of "life-saving leadership rules" for management—where leaders could be formally sanctioned or fired for failing to support the frontline—the organization thought the idea was entirely ridiculous. Yet, they found the exact same punitive concept perfectly acceptable when applied to the workers. Reframing the Question: "Better" instead of "Safer" Finally, Provan shares a brilliant tactic for getting better feedback from the frontline. He advises against asking workers, "How can we make this job safer?" because workers often conflate "safer" with restrictive checklists, more training, or extra procedures. Instead, leaders should simply ask, "How could we make this work better?". This immediately prompts workers to discuss improvements in quality, speed, tools, and resources—all of which inherently fix safety hazards along the way. Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love: * Leading Safely Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/leading-safely-with-georgina-poole/id1629261578] with Georgina Poole * Were We Lucky, or Were We Good Podcast [https://www.linkedin.com/company/were-we-lucky-or-were-we-good-podcast/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base%3B4yyzCFj5Q1Gs8VLZ7sNCQg%3D%3D] with Steve Smith * The Safety Bros [https://www.thesafetybros.com/] with Brad and Dan Ruiz * Punk Rock Safety [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/punk-rock-safety/id1737870716] with Dr. Ben Goodheart, Dr. Dave Provan, and Dr. Ron Gantt * Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving [https://www.thehumandiver.com/podcasts/counter-errorism-in-diving-applying-human-factors-to-diving]with Gareth Lock * How Did It Make Sense? [https://www.humaninthesystem.co.uk/podcasts/how-did-it-make-sense#:~:text=it%20make%20sense%3F-,'How%20did%20it%20make%20sense%3F',to%20follow%20a%20similar%20format.] with Gareth Lock * The HOP Nerd [https://www.thehopnerd.com/podcast] with Sam Goodman * A HOP Podcast (With No Name) [https://www.hoppodcast.com/episodes]with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio * Health & Safety Conversations [https://shows.acast.com/health-and-safety-conversations] with Tom Bourne * Pre-Accident Investigations [https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/] with Todd Conklin * Safety on Tap [https://www.safetyontap.com/episodes/] with Andrew Barrett * Hop Into Action [https://redcircle.com/shows/hop-into-action-podcast-series] with Brent Sutton * The Safety of Work [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-safety-of-work/id1487405500]with Dr. David Provan and Dr. Drew Rae * Illusion of Safety [https://iosafetypodcast.podbean.com/] with Allison Short, Joshua Russell, and Gabe Encarnacion * Be Empowered [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-empowered-the-podcast/id1811696502] with Dr. Santoshi Billakota and Dr. Shahla Moghbel * (Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast [http://www.themissingchapterpodcast.com/]with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff

Counter-Errorism - Episode 19 - Joe Estey

Get to know Joe Estey, Sr: Profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-estey-9905515a/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-estey-9905515a/] Email: jestey@lucasinc.com      See an older, but still pertinent webinar with Joe: Fooled by Counting—Why the Scale is Not Your Friend [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXAaZUbmUnY] Website: www.CHOLearning.org (Joe serves on the Board of Directors, Community of Human and Organizational Learning) Joe Estey provides several powerful strategies for reshaping organizational learning, reducing bureaucracy, and improving human performance. Here are the key lessons we learn from his approach: Learning from Everyday Successes Estey stresses the importance of learning from normal, everyday activities rather than waiting to learn exclusively from mistakes. He notes that if an organization only attempts to learn from failures, they will simply get more opportunities to make them. Instead, leaders should proactively study teams that are successfully meeting their expectations and successfully managing everyday challenges. Rethinking the "Vehicles" for Learning Many companies invest heavily in formal "lessons learned" databases or required reading programs that workers never actually read; often, these systems exist simply to meet a bureaucratic deadline. Estey suggests that true operational learning happens through informal crew meetings and ongoing conversations, where workers naturally discuss what happened yesterday to prepare for today. To institutionalize this knowledge for future or newly hired workers, he recommends: * Integrating tools into all training: Embedding human performance concepts into everyday classes (like forklift or flagger training) and heavily incorporating them from day one of onboarding. * "Today's post-job is tomorrow's pre-job": Creating dynamic, worker-owned forms where a crew takes a few minutes at the end of their task to fill out a brief document (such as noting where special tools are kept) to directly help the next crew who will perform that same job. Combating "Safety Clutter" Through Subtraction Drawing on the concept of the "Scarcity Brain," Estey explains that humans have an innate drive to constantly add things to solve problems. In the workplace, this results in a dangerous "cumulative effect" of endlessly adding new rules, corrective actions, and procedural steps (often referred to as "safety clutter"). Estey challenges teams to overcome this instinct by routinely asking, "What do we need to take away in order to help make this more productive and safe?". By treating subtraction as a form of addition, organizations can simplify overly complex processes—such as avoiding situations where a single lock-out/tag-out tag requires 14 different people to touch it. The Systemic "Undo Button" Finally, Estey highlights that in some situations, the best corrective action is to do absolutely nothing. Every job carries an expected baseline error rate, and when minor mistakes happen that do not lead to severe consequences, organizations shouldn't force formal investigations or reports. Instead, businesses need to build a systemic "undo button"—much like in a word processor—where workers can simply recognize a minor mistake, correct it, learn, and move on without treating it like a catastrophe. Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love: * Leading Safely Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/leading-safely-with-georgina-poole/id1629261578] with Georgina Poole * Were We Lucky, or Were We Good Podcast [https://www.linkedin.com/company/were-we-lucky-or-were-we-good-podcast/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base%3B4yyzCFj5Q1Gs8VLZ7sNCQg%3D%3D] with Steve Smith * The Safety Bros [https://www.thesafetybros.com/] with Brad and Dan Ruiz * Punk Rock Safety [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/punk-rock-safety/id1737870716] with Dr. Ben Goodheart, Dr. Dave Provan, and Dr. Ron Gantt * Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving [https://www.thehumandiver.com/podcasts/counter-errorism-in-diving-applying-human-factors-to-diving]with Gareth Lock * How Did It Make Sense? [https://www.humaninthesystem.co.uk/podcasts/how-did-it-make-sense#:~:text=it%20make%20sense%3F-,'How%20did%20it%20make%20sense%3F',to%20follow%20a%20similar%20format.] with Gareth Lock * The HOP Nerd [https://www.thehopnerd.com/podcast] with Sam Goodman * A HOP Podcast (With No Name) [https://www.hoppodcast.com/episodes]with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio * Health & Safety Conversations [https://shows.acast.com/health-and-safety-conversations] with Tom Bourne * Pre-Accident Investigations [https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/] with Todd Conklin * Safety on Tap [https://www.safetyontap.com/episodes/] with Andrew Barrett * Hop Into Action [https://redcircle.com/shows/hop-into-action-podcast-series] with Brent Sutton * The Safety of Work [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-safety-of-work/id1487405500]with Dr. David Provan and Dr. Drew Rae * Illusion of Safety [https://iosafetypodcast.podbean.com/] with Allison Short, Joshua Russell, and Gabe Encarnacion * Be Empowered [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-empowered-the-podcast/id1811696502] with Dr. Santoshi Billakota and Dr. Shahla Moghbel * (Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast [http://www.themissingchapterpodcast.com/]with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff

Counter-Errorism - Episode 18 - Joanne Zaraliakos

Get to know Joanne Zaraliakos: Profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-z-492b0530/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-z-492b0530/] Email: joannezaras@yahoo.com [joannezaras@yahoo.com] In her conversation on the Counter Errorism podcast, Joanne Zaraliakos shares highly practical, subtle strategies for implementing organizational change and making safety training memorable. Here are the key lessons we learn from her approach: "Sneaky" Change Management Zaraliakos notes that people are generally nervous about change and often resist massive new safety initiatives or programs. To bypass this resistance, she employs a "sneaky" strategy: she looks at what the organization is already doing and makes slight tweaks so workers do not even realize a change is happening. Instead of launching a formal program, she simply sprinkles the desired concepts into existing routines, such as integrating a "stop and act" moment directly into a standard pre-start inspection. The ultimate reward of this subtle approach is hearing the workforce naturally mimic back the new safety language without ever realizing a new initiative was implemented. From "Gotcha" Observations to Conversations She actively moves away from traditional "safety observations," which she refers to as negative "gotcha moments". Instead, she transforms these interactions into "safety conversations." By approaching workers with open, caring questions—like simply asking, "How's your day going?"—she opens up a dialogue rather than immediately confronting them about a missing pair of safety glasses. Experiential Learning and Making Training "Sticky" Rather than rolling out a brand new, dry training program, Zaraliakos advocates for slipping experiential learning into existing events, such as turning a standard chemical safety (WHMIS/SDS) review during Safety Week into a fun, hands-on experience. She emphasizes that for training to be truly "sticky" (meaning it is actually retained by the worker), you must make the participants feel something. Because human memories are deeply tied to emotions, creating a feeling during a training exercise ensures the lesson will actually stick. Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love: * Leading Safely Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/leading-safely-with-georgina-poole/id1629261578] with Georgina Poole * Were We Lucky, or Were We Good Podcast [https://www.linkedin.com/company/were-we-lucky-or-were-we-good-podcast/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base%3B4yyzCFj5Q1Gs8VLZ7sNCQg%3D%3D] with Steve Smith * The Safety Bros [https://www.thesafetybros.com/] with Brad and Dan Ruiz * Punk Rock Safety [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/punk-rock-safety/id1737870716] with Dr. Ben Goodheart, Dr. Dave Provan, and Dr. Ron Gantt * Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving [https://www.thehumandiver.com/podcasts/counter-errorism-in-diving-applying-human-factors-to-diving]with Gareth Lock * How Did It Make Sense? [https://www.humaninthesystem.co.uk/podcasts/how-did-it-make-sense#:~:text=it%20make%20sense%3F-,'How%20did%20it%20make%20sense%3F',to%20follow%20a%20similar%20format.] with Gareth Lock * The HOP Nerd [https://www.thehopnerd.com/podcast] with Sam Goodman * A HOP Podcast (With No Name) [https://www.hoppodcast.com/episodes]with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio * Health & Safety Conversations [https://shows.acast.com/health-and-safety-conversations] with Tom Bourne * Pre-Accident Investigations [https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/] with Todd Conklin * Safety on Tap [https://www.safetyontap.com/episodes/] with Andrew Barrett * Hop Into Action [https://redcircle.com/shows/hop-into-action-podcast-series] with Brent Sutton * The Safety of Work [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-safety-of-work/id1487405500]with Dr. David Provan and Dr. Drew Rae * Illusion of Safety [https://iosafetypodcast.podbean.com/] with Allison Short, Joshua Russell, and Gabe Encarnacion * Be Empowered [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-empowered-the-podcast/id1811696502] with Dr. Santoshi Billakota and Dr. Shahla Moghbel * (Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast [http://www.themissingchapterpodcast.com/]with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff

Counter-Errorism - Episode 17 - Stephanie Moore

Get to know Stephanie Moore: Profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephaniemoore763/ Email: stephaniemoore763@yahoo.com In her conversation on the Counter Errorism podcast, Stephanie Moore shares several practical strategies for improving organizational learning, emphasizing that performance improvement requires abandoning "one-size-fits-all" solutions. Instead, practitioners must tailor their approaches to the unique nuances and cultures of each specific group. Here are the key insights and lessons from her approach: Disarming Frustration and Building Trust Moore notes that frontline workers often deeply resent individuals coming down from the "glass palace" to fix their problems. To build immediate trust, she actively disarms their frustrations by shifting the conversation entirely away from corporate metrics, goals, or performance indicators. Instead, she focuses strictly on how to get them home safely. This genuine, human-centric concern bypasses defensive barriers, allowing passionate and frustrated workers to finally open up about the actual operational issues they face. Humility and "Planting the Seed" Rather than acting as the ultimate authority, Moore approaches the frontline with profound humility, recognizing that while she may know the safety theory, the workers are the true experts of their own environment. She advocates for patiently "planting the seed" of new ideas, acknowledging that people rarely adopt changes immediately. By giving workers the space to let concepts marinate without forcing an agenda, they can organically discover how these performance tools fit into their daily work. Translating Between Academia, Leadership, and the Frontline A major part of Moore's success lies in her ability to act as a vital translator across the different layers of an organization: * For the Frontline: Complex academic concepts often go over workers' heads because they are already mentally taxed by a demanding operational environment. To fix this, she translates theory into highly relatable, tangible exercises. For example, she teaches the academic concept of a "cognitive walkthrough" by having workers describe how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. She notes that hands-on guidance and participation in workgroups is far more effective than pulling distracted workers away for web-based computer training. * For Leadership: Conversely, she must translate the frontline's operational struggles into the language that executives actually speak—money and efficiency. She bridges the communication gap by showing leaders how investing in these safety and performance improvements ultimately saves resources that can be effectively utilized elsewhere. Empowerment Over Blind Compliance Finally, Moore operates on the foundational belief that people are inherently good and do not want to make mistakes. Rather than forcing workers to follow rules simply because of compliance or because "academia said so," organizations must empower employees by explaining the why behind their policies. Even if a worker thinks a policy is foolish initially, understanding its actual purpose allows them to apply critical thinking and make safer choices on the fly, rather than resorting to dangerous shortcuts because a rule didn't make sense to them. Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love: * Leading Safely Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/leading-safely-with-georgina-poole/id1629261578] with Georgina Poole * Were We Lucky, or Were We Good Podcast [https://www.linkedin.com/company/were-we-lucky-or-were-we-good-podcast/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base%3B4yyzCFj5Q1Gs8VLZ7sNCQg%3D%3D] with Steve Smith * The Safety Bros [https://www.thesafetybros.com/] with Brad and Dan Ruiz * Punk Rock Safety [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/punk-rock-safety/id1737870716] with Dr. Ben Goodheart, Dr. Dave Provan, and Dr. Ron Gantt * Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving [https://www.thehumandiver.com/podcasts/counter-errorism-in-diving-applying-human-factors-to-diving]with Gareth Lock * How Did It Make Sense? [https://www.humaninthesystem.co.uk/podcasts/how-did-it-make-sense#:~:text=it%20make%20sense%3F-,'How%20did%20it%20make%20sense%3F',to%20follow%20a%20similar%20format.] with Gareth Lock * The HOP Nerd [https://www.thehopnerd.com/podcast] with Sam Goodman * A HOP Podcast (With No Name) [https://www.hoppodcast.com/episodes]with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio * Health & Safety Conversations [https://shows.acast.com/health-and-safety-conversations] with Tom Bourne * Pre-Accident Investigations [https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/] with Todd Conklin * Safety on Tap [https://www.safetyontap.com/episodes/] with Andrew Barrett * Hop Into Action [https://redcircle.com/shows/hop-into-action-podcast-series] with Brent Sutton * The Safety of Work [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-safety-of-work/id1487405500]with Dr. David Provan and Dr. Drew Rae * Illusion of Safety [https://iosafetypodcast.podbean.com/] with Allison Short, Joshua Russell, and Gabe Encarnacion * Be Empowered [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-empowered-the-podcast/id1811696502] with Dr. Santoshi Billakota and Dr. Shahla Moghbel * (Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast [http://www.themissingchapterpodcast.com/]with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff

Counter-Errorism - Episode 16 - Steve Smith

Get to know Steve: Profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/experiential [https://www.linkedin.com/in/experiential/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base_contact_details%3BnawTquzdSdukJEdKT31ERA%3D%3D] Email: steve@outdoorrisk.com [steve@outdoorrisk.com] Books: Safety Science for Outdoor & Experiential Education [https://www.amazon.com/Safety-Science-Outdoor-Experiential-Education/dp/B0GC5MRRLK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=365LHCST8K0G8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CjIfRaHq8i3IRCCH6k1dIn-KS62oGoEvzAnMPLVD-z5V6whP17w8fYZtEmj90gwsODb6Bng94WaaMZmS_V6cGw.oHKcTbY7umgNhVDGW1RcSjXicSOTAAhTB4EceNyJ9jY&dib_tag=se&keywords=steve+smith+the+science+of+safety+lucky+or+good&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1776633702&sprefix=steve+smith+the+science+of+safety+lucky+or+good%2Caps%2C487&sr=8-1] Beneficial Risks [https://www.outdoorrisk.com/beneficial-risks] Website: https://www.outdoorrisk.com/ In his appearance on the Counter Errorism podcast, Steve Smith shared practical strategies for improving organizational learning, focusing heavily on how we view, report, and learn from risks. Here is a short synopsis of his key lessons: * Defining "Normal": To effectively identify and learn from incidents and near misses, organizations must first clearly define what "normal" looks like. What is considered a normal occurrence for an experienced team might be a serious near miss for a novice group. * Removing Barriers to Reporting: Smith successfully increased near-miss reporting tenfold by reframing them as "Threshold Zero" events to remove the fear of punishment. He also learned that reporting systems must be as simple and barrier-free as possible, asking just the basics (who, what happened, what did we learn) rather than forcing workers through cumbersome databases. * Categorizing Event Data: He advocates for tracking four specific categories of events: Incidents, Near Misses, Safety Success Stories (times when interventions or systems worked perfectly), and Learning from Everyday Work (system improvements drawn from repeated daily challenges). * Asking "Were we lucky or were we good?": Instead of waiting for a tragedy to trigger an investigation, teams should proactively debrief successful tasks by asking if they succeeded due to skill or mere luck. This helps uncover hidden hazards that might be lurking within everyday successes. * Risk Optimization over Risk Avoidance: Finally, Smith points out that our goal shouldn't always be the complete avoidance of risk. By shifting the focus to "risk optimization," organizations can embrace beneficial risks that help workers grow, adapt, and build capacity. Note an error in conversation: James says "Yosemite" but meant "Mount Diablo" in California Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love: * Leading Safely Podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/leading-safely-with-georgina-poole/id1629261578] with Georgina Poole * Were We Lucky, or Were We Good Podcast [https://www.linkedin.com/company/were-we-lucky-or-were-we-good-podcast/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base%3B4yyzCFj5Q1Gs8VLZ7sNCQg%3D%3D] with Steve Smith * The Safety Bros [https://www.thesafetybros.com/] with Brad and Dan Ruiz * Punk Rock Safety [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/punk-rock-safety/id1737870716] with Dr. Ben Goodheart, Dr. Dave Provan, and Dr. Ron Gantt * Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving [https://www.thehumandiver.com/podcasts/counter-errorism-in-diving-applying-human-factors-to-diving]with Gareth Lock * How Did It Make Sense? [https://www.humaninthesystem.co.uk/podcasts/how-did-it-make-sense#:~:text=it%20make%20sense%3F-,'How%20did%20it%20make%20sense%3F',to%20follow%20a%20similar%20format.] with Gareth Lock * The HOP Nerd [https://www.thehopnerd.com/podcast] with Sam Goodman * A HOP Podcast (With No Name) [https://www.hoppodcast.com/episodes]with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio * Health & Safety Conversations [https://shows.acast.com/health-and-safety-conversations] with Tom Bourne * Pre-Accident Investigations [https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/] with Todd Conklin * Safety on Tap [https://www.safetyontap.com/episodes/] with Andrew Barrett * Hop Into Action [https://redcircle.com/shows/hop-into-action-podcast-series] with Brent Sutton * The Safety of Work [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-safety-of-work/id1487405500]with Dr. David Provan and Dr. Drew Rae * Illusion of Safety [https://iosafetypodcast.podbean.com/] with Allison Short, Joshua Russell, and Gabe Encarnacion * Be Empowered [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-empowered-the-podcast/id1811696502] with Dr. Santoshi Billakota and Dr. Shahla Moghbel * (Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast [http://www.themissingchapterpodcast.com/]with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff