Moving to Value Unscripted

Treating the 'Madness' of Healthcare's Status Quo (feat. William Bestermann)

The American healthcare system is financially engineered to wait for expensive medical disasters rather than preventing them. Perhaps no one has a clearer view of how to dismantle this "rescue medicine" trap than Dr. Bill Bestermann. A preventive cardiologist and former President of the South Carolina affiliate of the American Heart Association, Bestermann has spent decades fighting the "medical-industrial complex" from the inside—as an ICU director, health plan advisor, and chief medical officer. As the author of the Slow Aging and Delayed Chronic Disease Development newsletter, Bestermann exposes how Wall Street insurance companies and obsolete, 50-year-old billing models actively protect highly profitable specialty silos at the expense of patient health. He is a fierce champion of optimal medical therapy, a low-cost, protocol-driven approach that arrests chronic disease at the root cellular level. He joins us to unpack the staggering economic disparity between standard procedure-driven care and molecular prevention, explaining how self-insured employers and communities can bypass bloated hospital networks to buy actual, measurable value. Find a transcript of this episode at movingtovalue.org/transcript/bestermann ________ Sign up for our email list. [https://www.movingtovalue.org/subscribe] Thank you to our members who make our work possible! As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, the Moving to Value Alliance relies on generous supporters to advance our mission of creating a value-based healthcare ecosystem with high-quality health outcomes at a reasonable cost for plan sponsors and their members. Get involved at movingtovalue.org/members [http://movingtovalue.org/members].

Scaling Up Self-Funded Employer-Led Healthcare (feat. Ashley Bacot)

Picture a healthcare plan with free primary care visits, physicals and health screenings, $0 copays for most services and prescriptions and negotiated direct contracts for most major procedures, as well as on-site fitness, flu shots, vaccines, family planning, nutritional services and more. This is the reality for thousands of employees of Rosen Hotels & Resorts in Orlando, Florida, leading to high primary care compliance and huge savings — $500 million to date. As most employers brace for double-digit premium increases, Rosen's costs remain roughly half the national averages. Ashley Bacot, the architect of Rosen's world-renowned healthcare plan, joins us to discuss how this model can serve as a blueprint for scaling up sustainable, value-based healthcare across the country. Find the transcript of this episode at movingtovalue.org/transcript/bacot [https://www.movingtovalue.org/transcript/bacot] ________ Sign up for our email list. [https://www.movingtovalue.org/subscribe] Thank you to our members who make our work possible! As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, the Moving to Value Alliance relies on generous supporters to advance our mission of creating a value-based healthcare ecosystem with high-quality health outcomes at a reasonable cost for plan sponsors and their members. Get involved at movingtovalue.org/members [http://movingtovalue.org/members].

How to Build Community Owned Health Plans (feat. Bryce Heinbaugh)

In Ohio's rural Ashtabula County, employers and patients struggled with rising costs and accessing services until a community coalition built a localized healthcare ecosystem. The results? A transparent financial structure that cuts out middlemen, direct primary care and community contracting, zero-dollar copays for many services and improved trust, satisfaction and population health outcomes. Bryce Heinbaugh, the man behind this coalition, joins us to discuss the transformative power of community owned health plans, and how his work in Ashtabula provides a roadmap for communities around the country to reclaim control from national insurance giants. Find the transcript of this episode at movingtovalue.org/transcript/heinbaugh [https://www.movingtovalue.org/transcript/heinbaugh] Mentioned in this episode: our May 2024 episode with Dr. Scott Conard [https://www.movingtovalue.org/podcast/episode/27bf54be/transforming-healthcare-the-impact-of-purpose-driven-approaches-a-conversation-with-dr-scott-conard-md], our June 2025 episode with Darrell Moon [https://www.movingtovalue.org/podcast/episode/20463a89/you-are-the-customer-fixing-healthcare-from-the-ceos-desk-with-darrell-moon], our November 2025 episode with April Kyle and Dr. Doug Eby of Southcentral Foundation's Nuka system [https://www.movingtovalue.org/podcast/episode/1e6e5aac/part-1-the-nuka-blueprint-with-april-kyle-and-dr-doug-eby]. ________ Sign up for our email list. [https://www.movingtovalue.org/subscribe] Thank you to our members [https://www.movingtovalue.org/supporters] who make our work possible! As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, the Moving to Value Alliance relies on generous supporters to advance our mission of creating a value-based healthcare ecosystem with high-quality health outcomes at a reasonable cost for plan sponsors and their members. Get involved at movingtovalue.org/membership [http://movingtovalue.org/membership].

Confronting Soaring Emergency Care Costs (feat. Al Lewis)

ER visits account for roughly six percent of health plan spend, with costs rising faster than almost any other hospital service. Why is ER spending is spiraling out of control? And what should we do about it? Al Lewis, founder of The Validation Institute and the gamified health literacy platform Quizzify, has built a career exposing the financial sleights-of-hand many healthcare programs use to drain employer budgets. Lewis joins us to break down how hospitals have transformed federal mandates like the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) into high-margin profit centers through aggressive pricing and "up-coding" tactics. Lewis also shares strategies for individuals and employers to challenge the lack of transparency that often characterizes emergency department charges. Find the transcript of this episode at movingtovalue.org/transcript/lewis [https://www.movingtovalue.org/transcript/lewis] ________ Sign up for our email list. [https://www.movingtovalue.org/subscribe] Thank you to our members [https://www.movingtovalue.org/supporters] who make our work possible! As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, the Moving to Value Alliance relies on generous supporters to advance our mission of creating a value-based healthcare ecosystem with high-quality health outcomes at a reasonable cost for plan sponsors and their members. Get involved at movingtovalue.org/membership [http://movingtovalue.org/membership].

Winning the Benefits Market Attention Economy (feat. Chris Fisher)

Tired of muddled pitches, point solution fatigue and hours of endless meetings? You're not the only one. Chris Fisher is on a mission to fix one of the biggest bottlenecks in the employee benefits industry — the noise. As the founder of BenefitsAlly, Fisher created the 3x3x3 Challenge, which asks vendors to explain what they do, how they’re different and who they’re for in three minutes. This format levels the playing field for vendors while giving brokers, consultants and business leaders a faster, clearer way to evaluate new ideas. Fisher joins us to discuss the virtues of radical brevity. ________ Sign up for our email list. [https://www.movingtovalue.org/subscribe] Thank you to our members [https://www.movingtovalue.org/supporters] who make our work possible! As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, the Moving to Value Alliance relies on generous supporters to advance our mission of creating a value-based healthcare ecosystem with high-quality health outcomes at a reasonable cost for plan sponsors and their members. Get involved at movingtovalue.org/membership [http://movingtovalue.org/membership].