She Started Running at 38. Now She Runs 250 Miles. | Michelle Goldberg | PoP Ep. 28
In this episode, Kareem sits down with Michelle Goldberg, a two-time finisher of the Cocodona 250 — a 250-plus mile point-to-point ultramarathon through the Arizona desert from Black Canyon City to Flagstaff. Michelle didn't run at all growing up. She was athletic — gymnastics, dance, mountain biking — but running wasn't part of it. At 38, with two young kids and a demanding career as a psychologist managing disability services for standardized testing companies, running found her almost by accident: a mud run with friends, then an impulsive 5K during a work trip to Hawaii, where she remembers thinking, for the first time, I think I could be a runner.
What followed was not a plan. It was a slow accumulation of small permissions. Early morning runs became sanctuary time — the one part of the day that belonged to her alone. A Thanksgiving 15K she didn't think she could finish. A marathon in Philadelphia in 2019 where a friend had to tell her she'd qualified for Boston, because she had no idea what a BQ even was. Then, in April 2020, her first 50K — a virtual ultra she'd signed up for before the pandemic, run in loops from her own house while the world shut down around her.
That summer, a virtual relay across America: 2,300 miles, six people, just over a month. Eventually that path led to Cocodona — one of the most demanding ultramarathons in the country, crossing desert, pine forest, ghost towns, and three mountains over 8,000 feet, with a brutal first 38 miles of exposed, rocky climbing before the course even begins to ease. Listeners will hear what it's actually like to run through the night in the Sonoran Desert, how huge temperature swings between scorching days and dangerously cold nights have to be managed, and what it means to hallucinate faces in the rocks by the second night of a multi-day race.
This year, Michelle went back with a different approach. Instead of a time goal, her only goals were to eat as much as possible, stay present, and enjoy her crew. She talks about her mantra — "low mood, eat food" — and about a training run before the race where she climbed the course's final brutal mountain in advance, just to make peace with it. The result was a 117-hour finish, a personal best, and a finish line crossed at 2:27 in the morning.
She closes with something that has nothing to do with running and everything to do with it: the idea of self-limiting beliefs, and the image of a swan gliding across a pond while paddling furiously underneath. Nobody is built for this. Everybody is capable of more discomfort than they think. It's a choice, and it's always available, no matter where you're starting from.
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