Japanese Breakfast's Michelle Zauner on the Origins of Crying in H Mart

Japanese Breakfast's Michelle Zauner on the Origins of Crying in H Mart

In this episode of Identified with Nabil Ayers, Michelle Zauner of Japanese Breakfast explores family, Korean identity, mixed-race identity, grief, language, heritage, and belonging. The conversation traces her family’s history, her upbringing in Oregon, and the experiences that shaped her understanding of herself and her place between cultures.   Michelle recounts discovering a diary written by her mother in 1978, learning Korean as an adult, moving to Korea, and reconnecting with family history through language and memory. She also reflects on growing up mixed-race, finding identity through music, and the journey that led from an unpublished essay about Korean food and grief to the bestselling memoir Crying in H Mart.   Guest: Michelle Zauner Host: Nabil Ayers Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji Produced by: Palm Tree Island 00:00 Discovering her mother’s diary 01:45 Growing up without a musical family 03:00 The hidden family history of performers 05:15 Finding identity through music 07:00 Growing up mixed-race in Oregon 09:10 Wanting to be a “neutral body” 11:00 Learning Korean later in life 13:10 Moving to Korea and reconnecting with family 15:00 Meeting her 21-year-old mother through a diary 18:00 The origins of Crying in H Mart 21:00 Rejection, success, and changing careers 23:30 Building a family through music 25:00 What family means now Identified is a podcast series that explores identity, race, culture, and family through personal conversations. Hosted by author and music executive Nabil Ayers, each episode dives into lived experiences that reveal how our backgrounds shape who we are—and how we find belonging. Nabil is the author of My Life in the Sunshine (Viking, 2022), and has written for The New York Times, The Guardian, and GQ on themes of race, music, and personal history. He’s also the President of Beggars Group US, co-founder of Sonic Boom Records, and founder of the record label The Control Group / Valley of Search. Identified brings together notable voices for reflective, vulnerable conversations about where we come from—and where we’re going. See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Bedouine on Growing Up Between Cultures

“Family to me is the feeling of safety without even understanding the concept.” In this episode of Identified, Nabil Ayers sits down with Bedouine for a conversation about family, heritage, migration, and belonging. As they begin tracing her family’s history, Bedouine uncovers new details about her Armenian roots, including stories she had only learned days before the interview. They discuss generations of displacement, from the Armenian genocide and the death marches through Syria to the communities her family rebuilt in Aleppo, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and eventually the United States.  Along the way, she reflects on growing up between cultures, speaking English at school and Armenian at home, and navigating the complexities of identity within the Armenian diaspora. She discusses the challenge of preserving family stories when previous generations prefer not to revisit the past, and the importance of documenting those histories before they disappear.  Bedouine's latest record, Neon Summer Skin, is out now. Guest: Bedouine Host: Nabil Ayers Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji Produced by: Palm Tree Island See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Show Me the Body’s Julian Pratt on Becoming a Father.

In this episode of Identified, Nabil Ayers sits down with Show Me the Body's Julian Pratt to explore the people, communities, and experiences that shaped his identity. Growing up on Manhattan’s Upper West Side, Julian was surrounded by family. With twin mothers, a sprawling network of cousins, and a household full of music, conversation, and chaos, belonging was never in short supply. But despite that foundation, he often felt different. Struggling in school, dealing with behavioural challenges, and feeling increasingly isolated as a child, he began searching for connection elsewhere.  That search led him into New York’s punk, graffiti, and DIY communities, where he found what would become a second family. Through friendship, creativity, and collective care, Julian helped build the community that would eventually become Corpus and Show Me The Body.  Nabil and Julian explores Jewish identity, immigration, generational history, and the stories passed down through family. Julian reflects on his grandfather’s journey from Eastern Europe to New York, what it means to be a “wandering Jew,” and how those ideas continue to shape his worldview today.  At the center of the episode is fatherhood. Julian shares how becoming a parent transformed his understanding of strength, shifting him away from fear, aggression, and anger toward something rooted in love, care, and responsibility.   Guest: Julian Pratt (Show Me The Body) Host: Nabil Ayers Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji Produced by Palm Tree Island See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Betsy Lerner on Writing Your Truth and The Tension Between Honesty and Fear

In this episode of Identified, Nabil Ayers sits down with bestselling author and literary agent Betsy Lerner to explore identity, family history, and the complicated path to becoming a writer. Betsy reflects on her upbringing, the influence of her family, and how personal experiences eventually shaped both her writing and her career in publishing. Known for her work as a literary agent as well as her acclaimed memoirs and books on writing, Betsy has spent decades helping writers uncover the stories only they can tell. The conversation explores how identity, family dynamics, and cultural background can influence the stories we carry and the stories we are willing to share. Betsy also reflects on the emotional challenge of writing personal material, the tension between honesty and vulnerability, and why the most powerful writing often comes from confronting the truths we try hardest to avoid. This is a thoughtful discussion about storytelling, memory, and the role writing plays in helping us understand where we come from. Guest: Betsy Lerner Host: Nabil Ayers Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji Produced by Palm Tree Island See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Ryan Kattner on growing up between cultures and finding community through music

Have you ever found community through your art? In this episode of Identified, Nabil Ayers sits down with musician Ryan Kattner to talk about growing up in an Air Force family, moving every three years, and never quite feeling rooted in one place. Ryan reflects on being mixed race, with a Filipino mother and a white father, and how navigating different cultural spaces shaped his sense of identity. He shares what it was like to feel caught between worlds, passing in some environments while feeling out of place in others. The conversation explores how constant movement shaped his understanding of family, where friends often became family, and how music eventually became a space where he felt understood and connected. Ryan also talks about the realities of life on the road, the bond that forms between musicians, and how creativity can help process loss and major life moments.   Guest: Ryan Kattner Host: Nabil Ayers Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji Produced and Distributed by: Palm Tree Island See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.