58. What 25 Years of Writing Songs Taught Him About Success, with Kyle Blankenship of Flip The Mule

62. The Trilogy That Started with a Broken Guitar – Jon of The Family Grave

Jon writes entire albums in a month, has a Nigerian band covering his songs, and still calls himself an amateur. The Brighton-based singer-songwriter behind The Family Grave built a prolific catalog of indie folk and alt-rock records without ever learning barre chords. His "Happy Old Love Songs" trilogy (Happy Songs, Songs About Love, and Old Songs for Kids) came together across pandemic lockdowns, one-day-a-month studio sessions, and a songwriting process that treats creativity like a job you clock into for 30 days straight. Jon talks about pulling a smashed guitar from a London dustbin and teaching himself to play, why his limitations make his music more authentically his, the hold-my-beer studio moment that turned a folk song into a Latin dance number, and what it means to still be searching for your tribe after seven releases. IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE GET INTO: * The smashed guitar Jon found in a London dustbin, and how it started everything * Writing 10 songs in a month using February Album Writing Month (FAWM) * Why his amateur status and stubby fingers actually make his music more authentic * The hold-my-beer moment that turned a folk demo into a Latin dance number * A Nigerian producer, a cover band, and the power of saying yes to weird opportunities ABOUT JON / THE FAMILY GRAVE: Jon is a singer-songwriter from Brighton, UK, performing as The Family Grave. A self-described late starter, he writes and records with a revolving lineup of musician friends and has released multiple albums including the "Happy Old Love Songs" trilogy. His latest album, Old Songs for Kids, blends indie folk, alt-rock, and unexpected genre detours, including a Latin dance number that started as a two-minute acoustic demo. CONNECT WITH JON / THE FAMILY GRAVE: * Linktree: linktr.ee/TheFamilyGrave [http://linktr.ee/TheFamilyGrave] * Instagram: instagram.com/thefamilygrave [http://instagram.com/thefamilygrave] * Threads: threads.net/@thefamilygrave [http://threads.net/@thefamilygrave] * Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/72hvOZf1bBYR5Q2DFOAXoy [http://open.spotify.com/artist/72hvOZf1bBYR5Q2DFOAXoy] * Bandcamp: thefamilygrave.bandcamp.com [http://thefamilygrave.bandcamp.com/] * YouTube: youtube.com/@thefamilygrave [http://youtube.com/@thefamilygrave] * X: x.com/thefamilygrave [http://x.com/thefamilygrave] * Vinyl & CDs via Elastic Stage: elasticstage.com/thefamilygrave [http://elasticstage.com/thefamilygrave] * Album (Old Songs for Kids): album.link/OldSongsForKids MORE RESOURCES: Follow the OFFICIAL "loves music" playlist on Apple Music:https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX [https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX] "loves music" playlist on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg] Check out the "loves music" podcast website: https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/ [https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/] Julian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/ [https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/] Julian on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417 [https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417] Check out Julian's book: https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD [https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD] This podcast is managed by Wildwave Podcasting: https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com [https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com/] MUSIC MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Songs: * "ACDC" — The Family Grave * "Big Man" — The Family Grave * "Daylight" — The Family Grave * "Sweet Charity" — The Family Grave * "Caroline" — The Family Grave * "Leave Him Behind" — The Family Grave * "Everybody Is Flawed" — The Family Grave * "Loving Is Easy (Lagos Version)" — The Family Grave (feat. Dimmeji) * "Sympathy for the Devil" — The Rolling Stones * "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" — The Rolling Stones * "Let It Be" — The Beatles * "Jolene" — Dolly Parton * "I Will Always Love You" — Dolly Parton Albums & Projects: * Old Songs for Kids — The Family Grave * Happy Songs — The Family Grave * The Family Grave Play Songs About Love — The Family Grave * Everybody Is Flawed — The Family Grave * Harry Smith Was My Father — Hiawatha Telephone Company (Jon's earlier project) * Post High Lows — Patience * Anthology of American Folk Music — Harry Smith (box set) Artists & Bands: * The Family Grave / Jon * Hiawatha Telephone Company (Jon's earlier project) * Patience (Brighton band) * Lucky Star Band (Nigerian cover band performing Family Grave songs) * Lou Reed * Bob Dylan * Elvis Costello * Nick Cave * My Morning Jacket / Jim James * Tim Hardin * Townes Van Zandt * Bonnie Prince Billy * Kevin Morby * Hiss Golden Messenger * Aldous Harding * The Rolling Stones * The Beatles * Dolly Parton * Whitney Houston * REM * Dave Grohl * Pharrell * Halsey * Lena Cooper

61. Her Biggest Song Has 552K Streams… and She Can’t Listen to It, with V!ctoria

V!ctoria wrote her first hit during COVID at 15, posted it on a whim, and watched it rack up over half a million streams. Now she can barely press play on it. The 20-year-old New York artist blends R&B, pop, rock, and hip-hop into something Julian straight up couldn't categorize; and that's exactly the point. V!ctoria produces everything herself on Logic, works exclusively in the dark, and refuses to be boxed into a single genre. She opens up about the comparison trap of outgrowing your own viral moment, why she won't force herself to write, what she learned about collaboration from Rome's closed music scene, and how consistency beats talent every time. IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE GET INTO: * Why her 553K-stream debut single is the one song she can't play out loud anymore * The comparison trap: measuring your current self against your 15-year-old self's numbers * Being your own manager, distributor, and creative director at 20, and what it costs * What Rome's private music scene taught her about collaboration and community * Talent vs. work ethic, and why showing up matters more than being gifted ABOUT V!CTORIA: V!ctoria is a 20-year-old New York-based indie artist making genre-defiant music that blends R&B, pop, rock, and hip-hop. She writes, produces, and releases everything independently. Her 2021 debut single "let me go" reached 553K Spotify streams without a single playlist placement, and her latest single "wondering" dropped May 2026. CONNECT WITH V!CTORIA: * Instagram: instagram.com/imvxctoria [http://instagram.com/imvxctoria] * TikTok: tiktok.com/@imvxctoria [http://tiktok.com/@imvxctoria] * Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/1TIGLYKA8kApefnVSPuhWS [http://open.spotify.com/artist/1TIGLYKA8kApefnVSPuhWS] * Listen to "wondering": open.spotify.com/album/40SukE7Q9VDsdRam3GFb7N [http://open.spotify.com/album/40SukE7Q9VDsdRam3GFb7N] MORE RESOURCES: Follow the OFFICIAL "loves music" playlist on Apple Music:https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX [https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX] "loves music" playlist on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg] Check out the "loves music" podcast website: https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/ [https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/] Julian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/ [https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/] Julian on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417 [https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417] Check out Julian's book: https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD [https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD] This podcast is managed by Wildwave Podcasting: https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com [https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com/] MUSIC MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Songs: * "let me go" — V!ctoria * "wondering" — V!ctoria * "HOW I DO" — V!ctoria * "POCKETFUL" — V!ctoria * "Swimming Pools (Drank)" — Kendrick Lamar Artists & Bands: * V!ctoria * Kendrick Lamar

60. The Band She Almost Never Started — Pearl Fontaine on Fear and Pop Punk

Ep.60: Pearl Fontaine dropped out of a lyric writing class in college because she wasn't ready to share herself. Years later, a bonfire in rural North Carolina changed everything. The lead singer of Post American Gothic grew up singing with her gospel-singing grandfather, chasing musical theater, and getting rejected from arts school… twice. After a stint at Berklee, a year in Brooklyn that ended with COVID, and a stretch of not making music at all, Pearl landed back in her small-town North Carolina roots with a new mission: start a band. What came out of that bonfire jam session with her now-husband Brandyn is a pop punk project with prog rock edges, hip-hop-influenced production, and a sound that defies every box Pearl spent years trying to fit into. IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE GET INTO: * Getting rejected from arts school twice and how it redirected her entire creative path * The COVID bonfire that accidentally launched Post American Gothic * Why self-consciousness is still the biggest thing holding her back — and how she's fighting it * Playing three-hour sets that are 80% originals in a town with no real music venues * The real meaning behind their single "Hello, Hello" — a letter to her younger self ABOUT PEARL FONTAINE: Pearl Fontaine is the lead singer of Post American Gothic, a pop punk band from Elizabeth City, North Carolina. With a background in musical theater, flute, and a year at Berklee College of Music, Pearl brings a classically trained voice to a band whose sound pulls from prog rock, emo, hip-hop production, and indie. She also works full-time at a local arts nonprofit where she teaches music to youth. CONNECT WITH PEARL FONTAINE / POST AMERICAN GOTHIC: * Instagram (Band): instagram.com/postamericangothic [http://instagram.com/postamericangothic] * Instagram (Pearl): instagram.com/pearl_fontaine [http://instagram.com/pearl_fontaine] * Linktree: linktr.ee/postamericangothic [http://linktr.ee/postamericangothic] * Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/2ueAojdjjzcLqGCmE6U4WX [http://open.spotify.com/artist/2ueAojdjjzcLqGCmE6U4WX] * Apple Music: music.apple.com/us/artist/post-american-gothic/1654095587 [http://music.apple.com/us/artist/post-american-gothic/1654095587] * Listen to "Hello, Hello": open.spotify.com/track/6mlIAityeBZjoyu3ngttA3 [http://open.spotify.com/track/6mlIAityeBZjoyu3ngttA3] MORE RESOURCES: Follow the OFFICIAL "loves music" playlist on Apple Music:https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX [https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX] "loves music" playlist on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg] Check out the "loves music" podcast website: https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/ [https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/] Julian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/ [https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/] Julian on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417 [https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417] Check out Julian's book: https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD [https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD] This podcast is managed by Wildwave Podcasting: https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com [https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com/] MUSIC MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Songs: * "Hello, Hello" — Post American Gothic * "Take Your Medicine" — Post American Gothic * "Porcelain" — Post American Gothic * "Carried by Birds" — Post American Gothic Artists & Bands: * Post American Gothic * Paramore / Hayley Williams * Circa Survive * Bon Iver * Sweet Pill * Pool Kids * Dead Poets Society * Aziya * Magnolia Park * Firsun * The Warning * Sleep Token * Sara Bareilles * Ingrid Michaelson * Regina Spektor * Bloc Party * Led Zeppelin * The Eagles * Beck

59. “My Gut Has Never Led Me Astray” – KĪ on Trusting Yourself as an Artist

KĪ picked up a ukulele during COVID with no music background, posted a few covers, and a Nashville management team came calling. Now she writes, produces, and releases everything herself. The Seattle-based pop artist started her music journey backwards: Nashville songwriting sessions and LA recording studios before she ever learned to produce on her own. But out of necessity came self-reliance, and out of self-reliance came the truest version of her art. KĪ talks about surviving domestic violence, teaching herself production because she couldn't afford not to, the 16th-century word that inspired her breakout single, and why trusting her gut has been the only thing that's never steered her wrong. IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE GET INTO: * The 16th-century word "respare" and how it became her breakout single * Learning to self-produce out of financial necessity — and falling in love with it * Surviving domestic violence and finding music on the other side * Why trusting your gut is the most valuable lesson she's learned as an artist * The burnout trap: why "grind culture" is making indie artists miserable ABOUT KĪ: KĪ is a pop singer, songwriter, and producer from Seattle. She writes and produces her own music, blending accessible pop melodies with emotionally rich, hope-centered songwriting. Her singles include "Respare," "Loveless Sea," "Symphony of Sadness," and "The Cha CONNECT KĪ: * Linktree: linktr.ee/Ki_musicofficial [http://linktr.ee/Ki_musicofficial] * Instagram: instagram.com/ki_musicofficial [http://instagram.com/ki_musicofficial] * YouTube: youtube.com/@ki_music_theofficial [http://youtube.com/@ki_music_theofficial] * Threads: threads.net/@ki_musicofficial [http://threads.net/@ki_musicofficial] * Website: ki-musicofficial.com [http://ki-musicofficial.com/] * Bandcamp: ki-musicofficial.bandcamp.com [http://ki-musicofficial.bandcamp.com/] PAST EPISODES REFERENCED: * Ep 44: Why Most Artists Quit, and How to Survive the Silence with That Boy A.B.: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/44-why-most-artists-quit-and-how-to-survive-the/id1810336818?i=1000748365005 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/44-why-most-artists-quit-and-how-to-survive-the/id1810336818?i=1000748365005] * Ep 42: Making Positivity Cool & Redefining Success in Music with AMACULENT: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/42-making-positivity-cool-redefining-success-in-music/id1810336818?i=1000746200392 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/42-making-positivity-cool-redefining-success-in-music/id1810336818?i=1000746200392] MORE RESOURCES: Follow the OFFICIAL "loves music" playlist on Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrXhttps://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX [https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX] "loves music" playlist on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBghttps://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg] Check out the "loves music" podcast website: https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/ [https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/] Julian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/ [https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/] Julian on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417 [https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417] Check out Julian’s book: https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiDhttps://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD [https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD] This podcast is managed by Wildwave Podcasting: https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com/https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com [https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com/] MUSIC MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Songs: * "Respare" — KĪ * "Loveless Sea" — KĪ * "Symphony of Sadness" — KĪ (co-written with Kyle Reynolds & Kaylian Lowe) * "The Chase" — KĪ Artists & Bands: * KĪ * Kyle Reynolds (songwriter/producer) * Kaylian Lowe (songwriter) * AB (artist referenced by Julian) * Ali Mac (previous guest, referenced by Julian) * Frank Sinatra * Nat King Cole * Cheetah Girls * Post Malone (referenced via Ali Mac)

58. What 25 Years of Writing Songs Taught Him About Success, with Kyle Blankenship of Flip The Mule

Kyle Blankenship drove past his childhood home one night and watched it burn to the ground. Ten minutes later, he'd written a song about it. The Nashville-area indie folk rock songwriter has been writing and playing music for over 25 years, but Flip the Mule is the project that finally feels like home. Alongside lifelong musical partner Tyler Bandy, Kyle is building a catalog rooted in rich storytelling, stacked harmonies, and a philosophy that success means finishing the art and putting it into the world. Kyle talks about why being a solo artist is easier but less fulfilling, what it takes to chase music without burning down everything else, and the phrase that changed his whole creative outlook. IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE GET INTO: * The night he watched his childhood home burn and wrote a song in 10 minutes * Why being a solo artist is easier but being in a band is worth it * Balancing music, family, and a full-time life without the "at all costs" mentality * The songwriting philosophy that changed everything: "If it matters at all, it matters" * How a 25-year creative partnership became Flip the Mule ABOUT KYLE BLANKENSHIP: Kyle Blankenship is a singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, and producer based just south of the Kentucky state line near Nashville, Tennessee. He's released two solo albums under Kyle Blankenship & The Last 84 and previously played in The Good Side and Lines for Real. Flip the Mule is his current project with lifelong collaborator Tyler Bandy. CONNECT WITH FLIP THE MULE: * Linktree: linktr.ee/flipthemule [http://linktr.ee/flipthemule] * Instagram: instagram.com/flipthemule [http://instagram.com/flipthemule] * YouTube: youtube.com/@FlipTheMule [http://youtube.com/@FlipTheMule] * Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/4hEGUA5fqZloOzkTg0XBJr [http://open.spotify.com/artist/4hEGUA5fqZloOzkTg0XBJr] * Bandcamp: flipthemule.bandcamp.com [http://flipthemule.bandcamp.com/] MORE RESOURCES: Follow the OFFICIAL "loves music" playlist on Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrXhttps://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX [https://music.apple.com/library/playlist/p.4Y0J406i03DQrX] "loves music" playlist on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBghttps://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0qE3kq89oyg3tFNbmRfHEO?si=vopaKQnNS8OHn0r2fFTVBg] Check out the "loves music" podcast website: https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/ [https://www.podpage.com/loves-music/] Julian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/ [https://www.instagram.com/julianjones417/] Julian on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417 [https://www.threads.net/@julianjones417] Check out Julian’s book: https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiDhttps://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD [https://a.co/d/0hzWNkiD] This podcast is managed by Wildwave Podcasting: https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com/https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com [https://www.wildwavepodcasting.com/] MUSIC MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Songs: * "Cool" — Flip the Mule * "Our Old House" — Flip the Mule * "Mama's on a Moon Kick" — Kyle Blankenship & The Last 84 * "Lucy Baby" — Kyle Blankenship * "100 Years From Now" — Theo Katzman Albums & Projects: * Nowhere to Be Found — Kyle Blankenship (2019) * Make It Through The Day — Kyle Blankenship & The Last 84 (2022) * Modern Johnny Sings: Songs in the Age of Vibe — Theo Katzman (2019) Artists & Bands: * Kyle Blankenship / Kyle Blankenship & The Last 84 * Flip the Mule * Tyler Bandy * The Good Side * Lines for Real * Theo Katzman * Vulfpeck * Dawes * Fleet Foxes * My Morning Jacket * Band of Horses * Dan and Shay * Chris Stapleton * Elton John * Billy Joel * The Temptations * Rob Tait