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Episode 7: Permissioned vs. Permissionless: The debate every onchain dollar is making

1 h 1 min · 25 de may de 2026
Portada del episodio Episode 7: Permissioned vs. Permissionless: The debate every onchain dollar is making

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Sam sets it up as a role-swap, with Dave (the permissioned business operator) arguing permissionless and Ian (the libertarian of the two) arguing permissioned. Dave opens with Marc Andreessen's 2014 New York Times op-ed (the original "declare a truth over the internet" framing) and uses it to argue that the only real innovation in a blockchain is solving one specific cryptography problem. Most of what gets called a blockchain today, he says, is doing nothing of the kind: ❝ A permissioned network of ten banks is going to go nowhere. ❞ Ian counters with what he calls "importing trustlessness." The pricing argument under it is sharper than the philosophy, because public blockchains cost cents in gas and carry billions in brand trust, which makes them a wildly mispriced utility for anyone building new market infrastructure. Sam brings the debate back to the news. SEC Chair Paul Atkins and Commissioner Hester Peirce are advancing a tokenized stock innovation exemption that lets equities be tokenized (potentially without the issuer's consent) and traded on DeFi (decentralized finance) applications. The regulator is drawing the first formal map of where the permissioned and permissionless worlds meet. Both hosts argue their way out of the positions they started with, and Ian's closing line is the one neither of them set out to deliver. Tune into Episode 07 for where the debate actually lands, the SEC ruling that just bent the line, and Ian's closer.

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