Mythos and Security

AI Networking

Networking can be an invisible part of IT infrastructure, but AI is creating demands that make it a critical part of keeping AI application fed with data. Mike Fratto returns to the podcast to discuss both the long haul and local requirements for AI networking with host Eric Hanselman. It's always been important to link chunks of infrastructure efficiently, but AI's voracious need for data has dramatically increased the scope and scale of the need. The risk that any gap in performance or capacity presents is that precious GPU resources will be idled, an increasingly expensive proposition. The realities of AI application architectures is that infrastructure is ever more hybrid, requiring access to repositories of data both on-premises and in various clouds and models scattered across various providers. The need for dynamic connectivity is driven by the rapid evolution of preferences for new models and the diversifying needs of agents to reach new data sources. It's not only forcing network expansion, but it's also driving M&A activity as network providers look to enhance automation in response to customer demands. More S&P Global Content: * Compute sovereignty: The strategic importance of digital infrastructure [https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/special-reports/compute-sovereignty-strategic-importance-of-digital-infrastructure] * AI won't solve its own energy problem – and that might be fine [https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/special-reports/ai-energy-problem-why-it-might-be-fine] * AI in action: unleashing agentic potential [https://pages.marketintelligence.spglobal.com/13656-BPR26AI-AI-CD-Request.html] * AI infrastructure results in 2025 top expectations, forecast upgraded [https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/news-insights/research/2026/05/ai-infrastructure-results-in-2025-top-expectations-forecast-upgraded] For S&P Global subscribers: * MWC 2026: Agentic AI as the next operating model for networks and network operations [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F99056648&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C0075f7f6a6ab4515b8c408dec5b52e65%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639165579159219249%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZIUDR%2BsURJly66%2BVeMadGDmrRYSpTaOQ7dPKTaqr5MY%3D&reserved=0] * AI Infrastructure Market Monitor & Forecast [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F92891324&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C0075f7f6a6ab4515b8c408dec5b52e65%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639165579159371077%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NvRVauEnmNoisYq6Zs2pgxUhGJIqxBE%2B8j9VV1Y35B8%3D&reserved=0] * Service providers race to meet surging enterprise demand for AI infrastructure [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F99729299&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C0075f7f6a6ab4515b8c408dec5b52e65%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639165579159392726%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QOyRHPvwLYvOhD50tTIy%2BmPxnEhP9Rqyfnmh0EHOh78%3D&reserved=0] * In 2026, the telecom network becomes code [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F96397400&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C0075f7f6a6ab4515b8c408dec5b52e65%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639165579159413814%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=T1nNhifBuv4C29S8ZodkJyKLS7S%2BvM%2FmUCGaL8z3jJc%3D&reserved=0] Credits: * Host/Author: Eric Hanselman [https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/contributors/1535668/eric-hanselman] * Guest: Mike Fratto [https://www.spglobal.com/en/who-we-are/about-sp-global/our-people/mike-fratto#q=&rows=20&pagenum=1&sort=es_unified_dt%20desc] * Producer/Editor: Feranmi Adeoshun * Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Kyra Smith, Dylan Scheible

Agentic revolution at Dell Technology World

The shifts that the agentic revolution is driving are felt in many areas of technology and Dell Technologies spans some of those that are seeing the greatest upheaval. The 451 Research team was in attendance at the annual Dell Technologies World conference and Brian Partridge, William Fellows, Henry Baltazar and Greg Macatee joined host Eric Hanselman to talk about their perspectives on the conference, agentic advancement and the technology market. Dell has positioned itself as a purveyor of not only the compute infrastructure needed to build the foundation for AI, but also as the custodian of AI's most critical raw material – data. The rapid evolution of agentic applications has created a need for new capabilities that is being complicated by both technology infrastructure demands and geopolitical events. Supply chains are being challenged by increasing demand for storage at a time when silicon pipelines were already under tremendous pressure. All of this is happening as the costs of AI are starting to have a material impact on businesses. Tokenomics, the impact of the cost of producing AI tokens, has taken center stage. More S&P Global Content: * Compute sovereignty: The strategic importance of digital infrastructure [https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/special-reports/compute-sovereignty-strategic-importance-of-digital-infrastructure] * AI won't solve its own energy problem – and that might be fine [https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/special-reports/ai-energy-problem-why-it-might-be-fine] * AI in action: unleashing agentic potential [https://pages.marketintelligence.spglobal.com/13656-BPR26AI-AI-CD-Request.html] * AI infrastructure results in 2025 top expectations, forecast upgraded [https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/news-insights/research/2026/05/ai-infrastructure-results-in-2025-top-expectations-forecast-upgraded] For S&P Global subscribers: * Dell Technologies' unified private cloud strategy: IT environments reimagined [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F92891472&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C1a5729430e084c6419a608dec16e8c96%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639160877713640055%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WymhIoTkW2Cl4X%2FwJoy%2B7yROGeqRyireOuSykIYzChk%3D&reserved=0] * AI Infrastructure Market Monitor & Forecast [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F92891324&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C1a5729430e084c6419a608dec16e8c96%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639160877713663635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R4ggmbM6i%2FAAjwyQxvM%2F7o7IFnf4e4HcbAdvd8yy0kM%3D&reserved=0] * Quantum Computing Market Monitor & Forecast [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F205866&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C1a5729430e084c6419a608dec16e8c96%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639160877713686117%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AB2zNiqyyiJ68SCaZtO95c9vfQ9SAnNdPhyKU6hbI0Q%3D&reserved=0] * Service providers race to meet surging enterprise demand for AI infrastructure [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F99729299&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C1a5729430e084c6419a608dec16e8c96%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639160877713707872%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zspzjkDE88LSarEve7sh0GlmDCVvWIp%2FpRJb8PDfkcQ%3D&reserved=0] Credits: * Host/Author: Eric Hanselman [https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/contributors/1535668/eric-hanselman] * Guest: Brian Partridge [https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/experts/brian-partridge], William Fellows [https://www.spglobal.com/en/who-we-are/about-sp-global/our-people/william-fellows#q=&rows=20&pagenum=1&sort=es_unified_dt%20desc], Henry Baltazar [https://www.spglobal.com/en/who-we-are/about-sp-global/our-people/henry-baltazar#q=&rows=20&pagenum=1&sort=es_unified_dt%20desc], Gregg Macatee [https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/experts/greg-macatee] * Producer/Editor: Feranmi Adeoshun * Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Kyra Smith, Dylan Scheible

Smart Buildings and AI

One of the more interesting areas where AI is having an impact is in building operations. While building automation technology has made significant advances, AI is bridging gaps in building system controls. Analyst Zöe Roth has been researching the approaches and achievements from various smart building automation technologies and joins host Eric Hanselman to discuss what she's seen and what opportunities lie ahead. Some of the advances from data center information management (DCIM) systems are being applied to smart buildings. A typical building has multiple control capabilities for HVAC, lighting, and mechanical that often aren't interconnected and smart building systems can unify visibility and operations. The integration of AI in smart buildings has to balance a number of different aspects of both the human in the loop for control and the scale that the introduction of cloud-based management offers. Fully autonomous operations may be some time off, but vendors are working to build trust and capability. Cloud-based systems can provide a consolidated view of a portfolio of buildings and improve maintenance operations, but face reluctance in some sectors where on-premises preferences prevail. AI is advancing rapidly and will accelerate further as it matures. More S&P Global Content: * 451 Digital Industries Insider [https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/news-insights/research/2025/10/451-digital-industries-insider-august-2025] * Next in Tech | Ep. 208: Smart Spaces [https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/news-insights/podcasts/next-in-tech/next-in-tech-ep-208-smart-spaces] For S&P Global subscribers: * 2026 Trends in IoT, Edge & Digital Industries [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F92891581&data=05%7C02%7Cbdalumpines%40spglobal.com%7C32c91e943fa34edae32a08deb8193012%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639150615494488528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rcXkA5%2BNDfNHRHlrh2NgGSGpqxBs6qZdypSRecuOwzg%3D&reserved=0] * Smart buildings 2025: Market trends, vertical strategies and vendor positioning [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F206230&data=05%7C02%7Cbdalumpines%40spglobal.com%7C32c91e943fa34edae32a08deb8193012%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639150615494508588%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HvTFnEsfN72bqp1BCwlna1RribARk9S2OiGn2%2Faobmk%3D&reserved=0] * Redefining OT security and ensuring operational continuity in the age of hybrid, AI-driven OT [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F98956000&data=05%7C02%7Cbdalumpines%40spglobal.com%7C32c91e943fa34edae32a08deb8193012%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639150615494527349%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ytu3xQMg5BosVJRGVNj7I4KAB7PFIzSOsYckaWRkGmI%3D&reserved=0] Credits: * Host/Author: Eric Hanselman [https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/contributors/1535668/eric-hanselman] * Guest: Zöe Roth [https://www.spglobal.com/en/who-we-are/about-sp-global/our-people/zoe-roth] * Producer/Editor: Feranmi Adeoshun with Barb Dalumpines * Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Kyra Smith, Dylan Scheible

Autonomy

The rush to capitalize on agentic capabilities is in full swing in enterprise, but there is caution in operational settings, like industrial control systems. Getting to autonomy in these environments requires a greater consideration in design and implementation and Cody Falcon of ABB joins host Eric Hanselman to continue a conversation that started at CERAWeek to explore the many aspects that should be in consideration. Risk is, of course, much greater in physical systems and AI requires more complex guardrails to manage it. But the greater challenge is in building trust. AI's ability to handle scope and scale can be tremendously valuable in control systems and the ready availability of telemetry and operational data give implementations a solid base to work from. The journey to autonomy is one that has to be built on proven successes. As with any new employee, agents will need to build trust. More S&P Global Content: * The CERAWeek conference [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ceraweek.com%2Fen&data=05%7C02%7Csophie.carr%40spglobal.com%7C6b762395c36b40e8959908deb4b3788a%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639146880091876665%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Nkuh6mAB0yNrM88x5V5PilGPLbm%2BVEBUOZyTKw5jv1k%3D&reserved=0] * Next in Tech | Ep. 259: The RSAC Conference – Agents on The Loose [https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/news-insights/podcasts/next-in-tech/next-in-tech-ep-259-the-rsac-conference-agents-on-the-loose] * AI in action: unleashing agentic potential [https://pages.marketintelligence.spglobal.com/13656-BPR26AI-AI-CD-Request.html] * 2026 Trends in Information Security [https://pages.marketintelligence.spglobal.com/15701-MS-2512-GL-TMT-DR-451R-NA-2026-Trends-in-Tech_04A---Information-Security.html] For S&P Global subscribers: * Redefining OT security and ensuring operational continuity in the age of hybrid, AI-driven OT [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F98956000&data=05%7C02%7Csophie.carr%40spglobal.com%7C6b762395c36b40e8959908deb4b3788a%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639146880091906793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bO3q0q3Plypi3U6hpFI1GdwHNxo4rNU8bWh60ALyXcM%3D&reserved=0] * Tech Trend in Focus: Digital twins in the oil and gas industry [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F99056634&data=05%7C02%7Csophie.carr%40spglobal.com%7C6b762395c36b40e8959908deb4b3788a%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639146880091930335%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mwT3AA8an0d3ZkM%2BqT%2Bk4P%2BjL4bg95itEajL9TrZvmI%3D&reserved=0] * 2026 Trends in IoT, Edge & Digital Industries [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F92891581&data=05%7C02%7Csophie.carr%40spglobal.com%7C6b762395c36b40e8959908deb4b3788a%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639146880091948358%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=o340rEISx%2FRzp4BnIv745IhY3qYRq1skCE9MiGbP5CA%3D&reserved=0] * Key learnings from the CERAWeek Chief AI Officer Leadership Circle [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F100784086&data=05%7C02%7Csophie.carr%40spglobal.com%7C6b762395c36b40e8959908deb4b3788a%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639146880091965327%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lx7%2FwFG0WX9no4AmutI9S0Ax2k%2BBW9tWIwE7sg5NvjE%3D&reserved=0] Credits: * Host/Author: Eric Hanselman [https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/contributors/1535668/eric-hanselman] * Guest: Cody Falcon [https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-falcon/], Global Digital Portfolio & Technology Leader, Energy Industries, ABB * Producer/Editor: Feranmi Adeoshun * Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Kyra Smith, Dylan Scheible

Mythos and Security

The recent announcement of the capabilities of the Mythos AI model have raised many concerns about the cybersecurity implications of ever more powerful AI tools. Scott Crawford and Daniel Kennedy return to the podcast to debate the impact with host Eric Hanselman. Is this more marketing than real attack potential? It seems like the pace and scale of the discovery of new vulnerabilities could overwhelm traditional remediation and patching practices. Is this a reason to hold back the release of new AI models? If nothing else, these developments should serve as a wakeup call for enterprises to revamp the way in which they approach both their software supply chains and operational procedures. Increased speed and scale are necessary, but it's also critical to secure the source of patches and updates to counter attacker efforts to compromise them. Attackers have always been good at taking well intentioned improvements and weaponizing them. More S&P Global Content: * Next in Tech | Ep. 259: The RSAC Conference – Agents on The Loose [https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/news-insights/podcasts/next-in-tech/next-in-tech-ep-259-the-rsac-conference-agents-on-the-loose] * AI in action: unleashing agentic potential [https://pages.marketintelligence.spglobal.com/13656-BPR26AI-AI-CD-Request.html] * 2026 Trends in Information Security [https://pages.marketintelligence.spglobal.com/15701-MS-2512-GL-TMT-DR-451R-NA-2026-Trends-in-Tech_04A---Information-Security.html] For S&P Global subscribers: * RSAC Conference 2026: Record turnout confronts both the promise and threat of agentic AI [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F100010490&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C6effb9d92cf0454368bd08deafd43d0c%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639141523282563608%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BdLmw0%2Bl6gPXpS5UCIkpBtCAbiGi48c5Hx9a0Qtt2iM%3D&reserved=0] * Information security budgets rise, but must address cloud security, AI governance – Highlights from… [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F100500987&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C6effb9d92cf0454368bd08deafd43d0c%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639141523282589097%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=f52Ry3Qmu9kE%2B8gfc1wuMtHMGCN3XTFwTg4kiJFVwVU%3D&reserved=0] * AI's impact in security and its application are not always aligned – Highlights from VotE: Informat… [https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclients.451research.com%2Freports%2F100500985&data=05%7C02%7Cferanmi.adeoshun%40spglobal.com%7C6effb9d92cf0454368bd08deafd43d0c%7C8f3e36ea80394b4081a77dc0599e8645%7C1%7C0%7C639141523282611877%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vWcFE63vX75UIveFaTwo7bUuUTYG7ySVwI5NROYZLCA%3D&reserved=0] Credits: * Host/Author: Eric Hanselman [https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/contributors/1535668/eric-hanselman] * Guests: Scott Crawford, [https://www.spglobal.com/en/research-insights/experts/scott-crawford#q=&rows=20&pagenum=1] Dan Kennedy [https://www.spglobal.com/en/who-we-are/about-sp-global/our-people/daniel-kennedy#q=&rows=20&pagenum%E2%80%A6] * Producer/Editor: Feranmi Adeoshun * Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Kyra Smith, Dylan Scheible