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Why More Security Tools = Less Security with Jonathan Poon, Head of Threat & Vulnerability Management at Zoom

25 min · 20 de may de 2026
Portada del episodio Why More Security Tools = Less Security with Jonathan Poon, Head of Threat & Vulnerability Management at Zoom

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In this episode of Patch Me If You Can™, Jonathan Poon, Head of Threat & Vulnerability Management at Zoom, reveals why adding more security tools often creates more problems than it solves. Jonathan also shares practical strategies for: conducting data audits across your security stack, building a "data oversight committee" to eliminate redundancies, and developing the empathy skills needed to translate technical risks into business language that actually drives action.

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