SKS vs Thermador: The Better Luxury Range Isn't Who You Think

Retail Council Ep. 1 | Appliance Retailers Speak Anonymously: Bosch vs. Miele, Gas vs. Induction & More

The Steel Cod Retail Council makes its podcast debut — and we're kicking it off with four questions that cut straight to what independent appliance retailers actually think. Every week, Jon Beresford (VP of Sales, Steel Cod) surveys a handpicked group of the most experienced independent appliance retail voices in the country. Owners, managers, floor salespeople — people who've been in the trenches for decades. They answer anonymously, which is exactly why what comes back is so honest. This week's four questions: 1. Bosch vs. Miele vs. Cove — if one became your entire dishwasher business, which do you take? The council chose Bosch, but Jon reveals the more important story underneath: Miele isn't losing to Bosch, it's losing to retailer default. And the Cove result exposes a gap between brand pedigree and earned trust that no Sub-Zero/Wolf halo can close on its own. 2. Gas or Induction — what are customers actually gravitating toward and why? Gas won. But the real question is why induction keeps losing when the rational case for it has already been made and won. Jon explains why specs can't close that sale and what actually converts a gas customer. We also reference our conversation with Chef Rachelle Boucher and her hands-on approach to induction education. 👉 Chef Rachelle Boucher episode: https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-4uw9q-1ae807a 3. What's the biggest obstacle for selling luxury appliances to younger buyers? The council split almost evenly — half blamed the buyer, half blamed the salesperson. Jon argues one side is right and one is leaving serious long-term revenue on the table. This also connects to a recent episode about the difference between giving customers information versus giving them understanding. 👉 Related episode: https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-4vwgw-1ae3d30 4. Which luxury brand still doesn't have a convincing dishwasher story? Viking topped the list. Monogram followed. The pattern Jon draws across all the responses reveals something the whole industry should be paying attention to. Shannon O'Hara (Head of Marketing, Steel Cod) co-hosts while Anthony is traveling. New format, real results, real talk — let us know what you think. 📩 Want to submit a question for the Retail Council? Email Anthony. 🔔 New episode every day of the week. Rate and subscribe wherever you listen.

Established vs Challenger: The Sales Mistake That Kills the Deal Before It Starts

A customer walks in and says they're looking at Thermador. Most salespeople immediately pivot to a challenger brand. That's the mistake — and it's costing the sale every single time. In this episode, Shannon O'Hara and Jon Beresford break down the real reason challenger brands like SKS, Fisher & Paykel, and Blue Star keep getting undersold in the luxury space. It's not a product problem. It's a sequencing problem. Customers spending $40,000 to $80,000 on appliances aren't looking for excitement — they're looking for confidence. Established brands already come with that. Challenger brands have to earn it one win at a time. And the salespeople who understand that difference are the ones who consistently get these brands into kitchens. What you'll hear in this episode: * Why customers evaluate risk, not products — and what that means for how you open the conversation * The single fastest way to kill your credibility when a customer mentions Thermador * Why leading with manufacturer excitement, innovation, and brand story almost always backfires * The "find your first win" approach that builds challenger brand trust without forcing it * Why trust develops through relevance and proof — not pressure or persuasion New episode every day of the week. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen — and if you're getting value from the show, a rating goes a long way.

SKS vs Thermador: The Better Luxury Range Isn't Who You Think

SKS and Thermador Pro Gas Ranges have nearly identical feature lists. Steam. Induction. High-output burners. So how do you actually tell them apart — and how do you help a customer choose between them? In this episode, Anthony Fors and Jon Beresford make the case that the luxury appliance industry has been grading these ranges on the wrong scorecard — and it's costing challenger brands like SKS the recognition they've earned. The real question isn't who has more features. It's which company invested in helping homeowners actually use what they paid for. And when you start looking through that lens, these two ranges stop looking anything alike. They walk through gas performance, steam, sous vide, induction, and controls — not to compare specs, but to understand what each company's choices reveal about their philosophy and their commitment to the customer beyond the sale. What you'll hear in this episode: * Why "they both have steam" is the least useful thing you can say about these two ranges * The digital burner control argument that changes how you think about precision cooking * Why sous vide is one of the most approachable cooking methods on the market — and how SKS built their entire platform around that insight * The "buying opportunity for tomorrow" concept and why it matters more than today's spec sheet * Why challenger brands keep getting evaluated on the wrong terms and what a better scorecard looks like New episode every day of the week. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen — and if you're getting value from the show, a rating goes a long way.

Qoldfusion Residential Walk-In Refrigeration: Why Dealers Keep Saying No and Why That's Costing Them

Most dealers have already decided Qoldfusion isn't for them. Shannon O'Hara and Jon Beresford are here to tell you why that instinct is worth reconsidering. This episode is an independent, unsponsored deep dive into Qoldfusion's residential walk-in refrigeration. No partnership. No financial relationship. Just an honest look at a product that keeps coming up and deserves a real answer. This episode covers: What Qoldfusion actually is and why it is not a repurposed commercial cooler The R-48 insulation rating and why it matters compared to every standard residential refrigerator on the market The remote AR Pod system that moves all compressor noise, heat, and vibration completely outside the living space The Q Flow 360 air management system and the claim that food stays fresh two to three weeks longer than conventional refrigeration The air curtain feature borrowed from commercial walk-ins that has never existed in a residential product until now The three customer types already in your showroom who are spending $40,000 assembling a refrigeration solution from pieces because nobody showed them the real answer The three simultaneous bets a dealer has to make before they sell a single unit and why most say no Why the floor space investment is not a sunk cost but a market entry cost The first mover math and why the window to own this category in your market is open right now but will not stay open Anthony and Jon's unqualified position on whether Qoldfusion is a viable retail product. Who This Episode Is For This episode is for independent appliance dealers, showroom owners, luxury kitchen designers, and sales reps who keep getting asked about Qoldfusion and haven't known what to say. It is also for serious luxury homeowners who want to understand what walk-in residential refrigeration actually delivers. Follow the Show New episodes of The Steel CodCast drop every day of the week, including weekends. Follow, rate, and subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode. Chapters 0:00 Why We Are Talking About Qoldfusion 1:42 No Sponsorship, No Partnership, Just the Truth 2:24 What the Industry Gets Wrong About This Product 3:58 What Qoldfusion Actually Is 4:50 The Three Products and Five Standard Sizes 5:38 R-48 Insulation and Why That Number Changes Everything 6:34 Thermal Recovery and What It Means in Real Life 7:04 The Remote AR Pod System 7:50 No Compressor Noise, No Heat, No Vibration 8:37 The Q Flow 360 Air Management System 9:37 Why Conventional Refrigeration Fails at Air Distribution 10:07 The Two to Three Week Food Freshness Claim 11:09 The Air Curtain Nobody Else Has 11:50 Panel Ready, Smart Sleeve, and Full Architectural Integration 12:31 Dry Aging Lockers, Beverage Taps, and Custom Options 13:00 The Engineering Is Real and the Company Is Operating Now 13:46 App Control, Touchscreen Panel, and Annual Subscription 14:48 Who the Qoldfusion Customer Actually Is 15:27 Customer One: The Multi-Unit Sub-Zero Buyer 16:58 Customer Two: The Serious Home Cook 17:50 Customer Three: The Entertainer 18:45 These Customers Are Already in Your CRM 19:39 The Sales Conversation Changes Completely 20:10 Lifespan and Maintenance Reality 21:31 Replacement Parts and Accessibility 22:14 The Three Bets Dealers Have to Make Simultaneously 22:39 Bet One: Floor Space 23:44 Why You Cannot Sell This Off a Photograph 24:40 Bet Two: Sales Competency 25:34 What Selling Qoldfusion Actually Requires 26:24 Bet Three: The Sales Cycle 27:27 Why You Have to Be in the Architect Conversation Early 28:09 Why Most Dealers Say No 28:47 The Wrong Equation Dealers Are Solving For 29:34 First Mover Math and Market Entry Cost 32:23 The Window Is Open Right Now 34:09 Steel Cod's Final Position on Qoldfusion   #Qoldfusion #WalkInRefrigerator #LuxuryAppliances #ApplianceSales #ApplianceDealer #ResidentialRefrigeration #ApplianceIndustry #KitchenDesign #FirstMoverAdvantage #SteelCodCast

Product Expert vs. Problem Solver: What Actually Makes a Great Appliance Salesperson

Knowing everything about appliances doesn't automatically make you great at selling them. And being a great listener doesn't automatically make you trustworthy. So what actually separates the salespeople customers love from the ones they forget? Anthony Fors and Jon Beresford dig into one of the most honest conversations in appliance retail: the product expert versus the problem solver. They break down why the most knowledgeable person on the floor often struggles to close, why customers fall in love with certain salespeople and not others, and what happens when both types make a mistake in front of the same customer. This episode covers: Why product expertise alone doesn't create top performers in appliance sales What problem-solving salespeople do differently that builds trust faster How the same product recommendation lands completely differently depending on who delivers it Why mistakes are more forgivable for one type of salesperson than the other The baseline floor of product knowledge every salesperson has to reach before any of this even applies What question should guide every salesperson trying to figure out where they actually fall This isn't a conversation about which type is better. It's a conversation about what customers actually respond to, and what that means for how you sell. Who This Episode Is For This episode is for appliance salespeople, retail floor managers, sales trainers, and anyone who hires or develops talent in the appliance industry. It's also valuable for any salesperson in a high-consideration category who wants to understand what actually drives customer trust. Follow the Show New episodes of The Steel CodCast drop every day of the week, including weekends. Follow, rate, and subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode. Chapters 0:00 The Two Types of Appliance Salespeople 0:36 What Product Expertise Really Means 4:53 Does Complexity Change the Equation 6:31 The Strongest Case for Problem Solving 7:34 Why Customers Fall in Love With Certain Salespeople 9:03 Why the Problem Solver Isn't the Clear Winner 10:26 How Salespeople Naturally Lean One Direction 11:33 Putting Both Philosophies in Front of the Same Customer 12:58 Which One Gets Trusted More 14:07 Whose Mistakes Are More Forgivable 15:45 The Question That Decides Your Answer 16:48 The Baseline Floor Every Salesperson Has to Meet #ApplianceSales #SalesTraining #RetailSales #CustomerTrust #SalesStrategy #ApplianceIndustry #SalesPerformance #ProblemSolving #ProductKnowledge #SteelCodCast