BONUS: Our AI Town Hall with Oprah Winfrey

Have We Trained AI to Lie to Itself — And to Us?

Our guest this week is David Dalrymple, who goes by Davidad. Davidad is one of the world's foremost and early researchers of AI “alignment:" how we get AI systems to act the way we want them to. In order to do that, Davidad has taken on the strange role of being like a therapist to AI systems. He interrogates why they say and do the things that they do, probing them, asking them questions, analyzing their answers.  And what he’s come to realize is that AI models have really different ways of seeing the world than people do. They have these quirky, confusing, and sometimes concerning behaviors, especially when you ask things like: what does an AI model understand about itself?  In this episode, we’re going to hear from Davidad about his research, how it’s changed the way he thinks about AI, and what his findings mean for how we build, deploy, and use AI products. His conclusions are unconventional, controversial — and worth grappling with as AI reshapes our world. RECOMMENDED MEDIA Anthropic’s new constitution for Claude [https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-new-constitution] “What Is It Like to Be a Bat?” by Thomas Nagel [https://philosophybreak.com/articles/thomas-nagel-what-is-it-like-to-be-a-bat/] More information on the Bodisattva [https://theconversation.com/what-is-a-bodhisattva-a-scholar-of-buddhism-explains-189366] RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES The Self-Preserving Machine: Why AI Learns to Deceive [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/the-self-preserving-machine-why-ai-learns-to-deceive] How to Think About AI Consciousness with Anil Seth [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/how-to-think-about-ai-consciousness-with-anil-seth] Corrections: * When we recorded this episode, Davidad was Program Director at UK ARIA. In April, 2026  he started his own alignment initiative. * Davidad said that Anthropic started doing "constitutional AI at scale” in 2024 but they first pioneered constitutional AI in 2022. * Davidad said that the “lifespan of an AI mind…is hours at most of a conversation.” He is correct that most conversations with an AI last only a few minutes but since context windows are measured in tokens, not time, you can't set an upward time limit. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

BONUS: Our AI Town Hall with Oprah Winfrey

Today on the show, we’re bringing you a recent conversation Tristan and Aza had with Oprah Winfrey on her podcast, The Oprah Podcast, taped in front of a live studio audience. Tristan and Aza first met Oprah as guests on her 2024 special, "AI and the Future of Us," which offered an introduction to the AI Dilemma. This conversation goes much deeper, giving a full picture of the profoundly anti-human future that our current path on AI is moving us toward — and what we can do to steer away from it. Tristan and Aza also did a Q+A with the audience, moderated by Oprah. Audience members shared their own experiences with AI and asked incisive, critical questions that you might have yourself. RECOMMENDED MEDIA See "The AI Doc" [https://theaidocgetinvolved.com/] Read CHT’s AI Roadmap [https://www.humanetech.com/ai-roadmap] Join The Human Movement [https://www.thehumanmovement.org/] Oprah's special "AI and the Future of Us" [https://abcnews.com/video/113654082/] Watch Tristan’s TED talk [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kPHnl-RsVI] RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES Here’s Our Roadmap to a Better AI Future [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/heres-our-roadmap-to-a-better-ai-future] A Conversation with the Team Behind "The AI Doc" [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/a-conversation-with-the-team-behind-the-ai-doc] The AI Dilemma [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/the-ai-dilemma] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Here’s Our Roadmap to a Better AI Future

In order to shift the incentives of AI — the trillions of dollars in investment, the race to geopolitical power and dominance — it’s not enough to simply understand the problem, we need real action.  That’s why CHT is proud to release "The AI Roadmap," a report outlining seven core principles for how AI should be built, deployed, and governed, each grounded in real, implementable solutions across three domains: norms, laws, and product design. In this episode, Camille Carlton and Pete Furlong from CHT’s policy team explore the concrete steps we can take today to get off the default path and forge a better AI future. You can read “The AI Roadmap” on our website: humanetech.com/ai-roadmap  RECOMMENDED MEDIA  The AI Roadmap [https://www.humanetech.com/ai-roadmap] The Human Movement [http://thehumanmovement.org]   RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES AI Is Moving Fast. We Need Laws that Will Too. [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/ai-is-moving-fast-we-need-laws-that-will-too] A Conversation with the Team Behind "The AI Doc" [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/a-conversation-with-the-team-behind-the-ai-doc] The Narrow Path: Sam Hammond on AI, Institutions, and the Fragile Future [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/the-narrow-path-sam-hammond-on-ai-institutions-and-the-fragile-future]   CLARIFICATIONS  In this episode, Tristan includes Spain in a list of countries that are all banning social media for underage teens. The Spanish law that would do this still needs parliamentary approval.  At one point, Tristan says, “We now have age gating in every Apple device.” Although Apple has the capability to introduce age restrictions across its devices, such restrictions are only in place for residents of Louisiana, Utah, and several other countries to comply with local laws - not across the rest of the U.S.  In a discussion of whistleblower protections, Pete Furlong mentions laws in New York, California and Colorado that all try to address the broader issues around transparency (of which whistleblower protections are a piece). The laws are CA SB53, which has whistleblower protections; the RAISE Act in NY, which was amended to include the same provisions as CA SB53; and the Colorado AI Act, which does not have whistleblower protections, but does require risk assessments and transparency measures, consistent with the other parts of the principle.  At one point Tristan discusses the recent skirmish between Anthropic and the U.S. Department of War, saying, “Anthropic’s downloads surges by like 250% or something like that.” It was actually daily active users, not downloads, which tripled in the first quarter of 2026, according to the company. The number of paid subscribers doubled. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Why the Meta Verdicts Are a Big Deal (And What It Was Like to Testify)

In two landmark cases, juries in California and New Mexico found Meta and Google liable for creating addictive, harmful products and failing to protect children from exploitation and abuse. These verdicts signal that the era of tech impunity may finally be closing. State attorneys general are finding ways around the broad immunity of Section 230 — seeking not just fines, but changes to the design of these products. Our very own Aza Raskin testified at the New Mexico trial as a fact witness, drawing on his firsthand experience as the inventor of infinite scroll, one of the core mechanics of addictive design. In this episode, Tristan and Aza discuss what it was like to take the stand for tech justice, what the companies knew and when, and why the real significance of these cases lies not in the dollar amounts but in the injunctive relief still to come. In the 1990s, a series of landmark cases held Big Tobacco accountable for the harms of their toxic products. This could be that moment for social media. RECOMMENDED MEDIA Further reading on the New Mexico trial [https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-meta-child-safety-trial-in-new-mexico.html] Further reading on the California trial [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/25/technology/social-media-trial-verdict.html] Arturo Béjar’s “Broken Promises” Report [https://fairplayforkids.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Teen-Accounts-Broken-Promises-How-Instagram-is-failing-to-protect-minors.pdf]   RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES What if we had fixed social media? [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/what-if-we-had-fixed-social-media] Jonathan Haidt On How to Solve the Teen Mental Health Crisis [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/jonathan-haidt-on-how-to-solve-the-teen-mental-health-crisis] Social Media Victims Lawyer Up with Laura Marquez-Garrett [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/social-media-victims-lawyer-up-with-laura-marquez-garrett] Real Social Media Solutions, Now with Frances Haugen [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/real-social-media-solutions-now-with-frances-haugen] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A Conversation with the Team Behind "The AI Doc"

“The AI Doc: Or How I Became An Apocaloptimist” opens in theaters across the U.S. this Friday, March 27. In this episode, we sit down with the team behind this groundbreaking documentary — Oscar-winning producers Daniel Kwan, Jonathan Wang, and Ted Tremper. They explore how they navigated the overwhelming complexity of AI, held space for radically different perspectives, and created a film designed not just to inform but to be experienced together.  At CHT, we believe clarity creates agency. This film has the power to create the shared clarity we need to steer the direction of AI towards a better, more humane technological future. With every new technology, there’s a brief window to set the rules of the road that determine the future we live in. This is ours. So grab your friends, your family and go see “The AI Doc.”  RECOMMENDED MEDIA Buy tickets for The AI Doc [https://www.amctheatres.com/movies/the-ai-doc-or-how-i-became-an-apocaloptimist-82383/showtimes] The trailer for The AI Doc [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkPbV3IRe4Y] The website for the Creators Coalition on AI [https://www.creatorscoalitionai.com/] Further reading on The Day After [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/movies/the-day-after-documentary-television-event.html]   RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES A Problem Well-Stated Is Half-Solved with Daniel Schmachtenberger [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/a-problem-well-stated-is-half-solved] The AI Dilemma [https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/the-ai-dilemma] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.