Books Up Close: The Podcast

Ep. 30. Fatima Bhutto, The Hour of the Wolf

In this episode I talk to Fatima Bhutto about her book The Hour of the Wolf [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-hour-of-the-wolf-fatima-bhutto/9822d4c2aef1fdc2?ean=9781917092319&next=t](2026) from Daunt Books. Fatima Bhutto is the author of the novels The Runaways and the Women’s Prize for Fiction-longlisted The Shadow of the Crescent Moon, and the non-fiction New Kings of the World and Songs of Blood and Sword, which deals with her father’s murder and the Bhutto family’s history in Pakistani politics. Bhutto’s journalism and essays have appeared in the New Statesman, New York Times and Guardian, and elsewhere. Episode Notes: * Carmen Maria Machado, In the Dream House; Annie Ernaux, Simple Passion; Jill Ciment, Half a Life and Consent; Melissa Febos, 'In Defense of Navel Gazing'; Julie Myerson, The Lost Child. Book Recs: * Tareq Baconi, Fire in Every Direction and Hamas Contained * Helen Garner, This House of Grief * Mary Gaitskill, Veronica * Hiba Abu Nada, 'I Grant You Refuge' [https://proteanmag.com/2023/11/03/i-grant-you-refuge/] Follow the show on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/booksupclose]and subscribe to the Substack [https://booksupclose.substack.com/] for transcripts and more links. Please leave feedback here [https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=ur7mk6rEMUevXdc1sJfq2-MtVOsMawJDpBA3aJ944dVUMkI4OTA3N0dBMUE2SDVJWlpaOE8zNlo4NC4u]. Follow Fatima on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/fbhutto/?hl=en] too. Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 29. Robert Douglas-Fairhurst, Look Closer: How to Get More Out of Reading

In this episode I talk to Robert Douglas-Fairhurst about his nonfiction book Look Closer: How to Get More Out of Reading [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/look-closer-how-to-get-more-out-of-the-books-you-love-robert-douglas-fairhurst/7824593?ean=9781911717317&next=t] (2025). Robert Douglas-Fairhurst was born in 1968 and lives in Oxford, where he is a Professor of English Literature and a Fellow of Magdalen College. His most recent books are Look Closer: How to Get More Out of Reading (2025) and Metamorphosis: a Life in Pieces (2023). Previous books include The Turning Point: A Year that Changed Dickens and the World (2021) The Story of Alice: Lewis Carroll and the Secret History of Wonderland (2015) and Becoming Dickens: The Invention of a Novelist (2011). His other publications include Victorian Afterlives (2002), and editions of A Christmas Carol, Great Expectations, London Labour and the London Poor, The Water-Babies, and The Collected Peter Pan for Oxford World’s Classics, and A Tale of Two Cities for Norton. He is a regular reviewer and features writer for publications including the Times, Spectator, and Literary Review. He has worked as a historical consultant on BBC adaptations of Jane Eyre (2006), Emma (2009), and Great Expectations (2011), the 20-part BBC1/Red Planet series Dickensian (2015-16) and the Netflix feature films Enola Holmes (2019) and Enola Holmes 2 (2022). In 2015 he was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature. Follow the show on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/booksupclose] and subscribe to the Substack [https://booksupclose.substack.com/] for transcripts and more links. Please leave feedback here [https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=ur7mk6rEMUevXdc1sJfq2-MtVOsMawJDpBA3aJ944dVUMkI4OTA3N0dBMUE2SDVJWlpaOE8zNlo4NC4u]. Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 28. Seth Insua, Human, Animal

In this episode I talk to Seth Insua about his novel Human, Animal [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/human-animal-seth-insua/7756277?ean=9780857308894&next=t] (2025) Seth Insua is an Anglo-Spanish writer and artist. He was born in Kent in 1989. He graduated from the University of Oxford with a First in English Language and Literature. His debut novel, Human, Animal, was published by VERVE Books in 2025 and Letras de Plata in Spanish the following year. It was selected for the BBC Radio 2 Book Club with Sara Cox, and shortlisted for both the inaugural New Adult Book Prize and the Book of the Year: Discover by the British Book Awards. He lives with his husband, David, between Newcastle upon Tyne and Madrid. Episode notes: * Susan Sontag, Against Interpretation * Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, 'Paranoid Reading and Reparative Reading...' * Roland Barthes, S/Z (the proairetic code) Book recs: * Saleem Haddad, Floodlines [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/floodlines-saleem-haddad/aea1107c861fc684?ean=9781787706132&next=t] (go back and listen to my interview with Saleem!) * Josh Silver, Fruit Fly [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/fruit-fly-savage-and-darkly-hilarious-juno-dawson-josh-silver/797f61b84ea7c825?ean=9781836431473&next=t] Follow the show on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/booksupclose] and subscribe to the Substack [https://booksupclose.substack.com/] for transcripts and more links. Find Seth at sethinsua.com or @sethinsua on Instagram. Please leave feedback here [https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=ur7mk6rEMUevXdc1sJfq2-MtVOsMawJDpBA3aJ944dVUMkI4OTA3N0dBMUE2SDVJWlpaOE8zNlo4NC4u]. Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 27. Torrey Peters, 'Stag Dance'

In this episode, I talk to Torrey Peters about her story 'Stag Dance' [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/stag-dance-from-the-bestselling-author-of-detransition-baby-torrey-peters/abbd53a938fa071d?ean=9781800810815&next=t]from the collection of the same name.   Torrey Peters’ first novel, Detransition, Baby won the PEN/ Hemingway Award 2022 and was shortlisted for the 2022 National Book Critics’ Circle John Leonard Prize for best first book. A Times Top Ten bestseller, it was longlisted for the 2021 Women’s Prize for Fiction. Her follow-up Stag Dance is a quartet of short stories that explore trans life past, present and future. Episode notes: * William Empson, Seven Types of Ambiguity * Strunck and White, The Elements of Style Book recs: * Halldor Laxness, Independent People [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/independent-people-halldor-laxness/2392414?ean=9780099527121&next=t] (trans. J. A. Thompson) * Juan Gabriel Vásquez, The Sound of Things Falling [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-sound-of-things-falling-juan-gabriel-vasquez/4337957?ean=9781408831618&next=t] (trans. Anne McLean) * João Guimarães Rosa, Vastlands: The Crossing (Alison Entreckin) Follow the show on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/booksupclose] and subscribe to the Substack [https://booksupclose.substack.com/] for transcripts and more links. Find Sasha on IG @sashajdm. Please leave feedback here [https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=ur7mk6rEMUevXdc1sJfq2-MtVOsMawJDpBA3aJ944dVUMkI4OTA3N0dBMUE2SDVJWlpaOE8zNlo4NC4u]. Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 26. Sasha Debevec-McKenney, 'WHAT AM I AFRAID OF?'

In this episode, I talk to Sasha Debevec-McKenney about her poem 'WHAT AM I AFRAID OF?' from her collection Joy is My Middle Name [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/joy-is-my-middle-name-sasha-debevec-mckenney/7836117?ean=9781804271872&next=t]. Sasha Debevec-McKenney is the author of the poetry collection Joy Is My Middle Name (Fitzcarraldo, 2025). She received her MFA from New York University, was the 2020–2021 Jay C. and Ruth Halls Poetry Fellow at the University of Wisconsin, and a 2023-2025 Creative Writing Fellow at Emory University. Her poems have appeared in places like The New Yorker, The Yale Review, The Drift, and Granta. She was born in Hartford, Connecticut and is currently an Assistant Professor of Writing at Grand Valley State University. Episode notes * Diane Seuss, frank: sonnets [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/frank-sonnets-diane-seuss/7755539?ean=9781804271575&next=t] Book recs: * Yasmin Zaher, The Coin [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-coin-a-filthy-elegant-book-raven-leilani-yasmin-zaher/7808546?ean=9781804441893&next=t] * Steven Duong, At the End of the World There is a Pond [https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324086796] * Elisa Gonzales, Grand Tour [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/grand-tour-elisa-gonzalez/7614816?ean=9781802067057&next=t] Follow the show on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/booksupclose] and subscribe to the Substack [https://booksupclose.substack.com/] for transcripts and more links. Find Sasha on IG @sashajdm. Please leave feedback here [https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=ur7mk6rEMUevXdc1sJfq2-MtVOsMawJDpBA3aJ944dVUMkI4OTA3N0dBMUE2SDVJWlpaOE8zNlo4NC4u]. Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].