CREATIVITY is the JOB of the FUTURE

Hartmut Esslinger & Patricia Roller: The Head and the Heart of Creativity

In this expansive conversation, we explore what it really means to build something true and why honesty, passion, and the courage to be seen matter more in creative work than ever. Hartmut Esslinger, founder of frog design and the industrial designer behind Apple's iconic Snow White design language, and Patricia Roller, frog's longtime co-CEO and founder of Vidlet, join Doreen and Michael to challenge comfortable assumptions about creativity, talent, and what society owes to the people who have it. From Hartmut navigating a political minefield inside Apple to Patricia's admission that she felt like an imposter among designers for decades, only discovering her own creativity when she built Vidlet from the ground up, both guests share hard-won wisdom about what it takes to do meaningful work. Hartmut argues that if you're talented and not diligent enough to deserve it, that's a crime. Patricia shares that recognizing your own form of creativity may take a lifetime and look nothing like what you expect. They dig into the corporate chaos behind the Snow White years at Apple, why AI keeps recycling the past instead of imagining the future, how Vidlet is forcing companies to face the unedited truth of their customers' real experiences, and what design education dangerously gets wrong. Whether you work in a creative field or lead one, this episode challenges you to ask: are you being honest about what you can do — and what you owe the world for being able to do it? Topics covered: creativity vs. talent, the Apple years and Snow White design language, design education, AI and design, customer research and truth-telling, frog design culture, Vidlet, industrial design vs. art, and the obligation of passion. More about Hartmut and Patricia: Vidlet: https://www.vidlet.com [https://www.vidlet.com/] frog design: https://www.frog.co [https://www.frog.co/] frog50 Munich – A Conversation with Hartmut Esslinger and Patricia Roller: https://www.frog.co/designmind/frog50-munich-conversation-hartmut-esslinger-patrica-roller [https://www.frog.co/designmind/frog50-munich-conversation-hartmut-esslinger-patrica-roller] Hartmut Esslinger on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartmut_Esslinger [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartmut_Esslinger] Patricia Roller, Authority Magazine: https://medium.com/authority-magazine/inspirational-women-leaders-of-tech-patricia-roller-of-vidlet-on-the-five-things-you-need-to-know-6c89dc1c9b6b [https://medium.com/authority-magazine/inspirational-women-leaders-of-tech-patricia-roller-of-vidlet-on-the-five-things-you-need-to-know-6c89dc1c9b6b] A Fine Line by Hartmut Esslinger (Jossey-Bass, 2009) Keep It Simple by Hartmut Esslinger (Arnoldsche, 2014) Learn more about the show: https://www.cjfpodcast.com [https://www.cjfpodcast.com/] Learn more about the show: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/ [https://www.cjfpodcast.com/] Follow us: Creativity is the Job of the Future on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/] Doreen Lorenzo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/] Michael Baker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/] Rebecca McInroy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy]

Harper Reed: Identity and Purpose in the Age of Artificial Intelligence

In this wide-ranging conversation, we explore what happens when AI accelerates everything, including our doubts about the future. Harper Reed, entrepreneur and technologist from Chicago, joins us to discuss how AI is fundamentally changing the nature of work, creativity, and identity. From his early days learning to code at five years old to founding companies in the age of large language models, Harper shares his unconventional philosophy on building products, the importance of taste and discernment, and why the real threat to our future isn't AI, it's the lack of social infrastructure. We dig into the "conviction collapse" of rapid AI iteration, the role of creativity in solving existential problems, and what it really means to be human in a world where machines can generate code, art, and even humor. Whether you're worried about AI taking your job or excited about what's possible, this episode challenges you to look inward at what you're really afraid of losing. Topics covered: AI and coding, entrepreneurship, creativity vs. automation, social safety nets, environmental concerns, generational perspectives on the future, and finding joy in uncertain times. More about Harper: Harper's Website: https://harperreed.com/ [https://harperreed.com/]Harper's Blog: https://harper.blog/ [https://harper.blog/]Harper on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/harperreed [https://www.linkedin.com/in/harperreed] Harper on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harper_Reed [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harper_Reed] Learn more about the show: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/ [https://www.cjfpodcast.com/] Follow us: Creativity is the Job of the Future on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/] Doreen Lorenzo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/] Michael Baker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/] Rebecca McInroy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy]

Season 1 Wrap: Harnessing the Power of Creativity

What connects an international experience designer, competitive ultra-marathoner, NASA storytelling architect, joyful culture change agents, creative recovery coaches, celebrated design educator, nursing innovation researcher, and an Emmy-nominated storyteller? In this Season 1 wrap-up episode, hosts Doreen Lorenzo, Michael Baker, and Executive Producer Rebecca McInroy revisit the most powerful moments from their first season, exploring how creativity serves as an essential tool for solving problems and navigating change. More about our Season 1 guests: Fri Forjindam: Fri on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/friforjindam/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/friforjindam/] Mycotoo: https://mycotoo.com/ [https://mycotoo.com/] Ed Shelton:Ed on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edshelton/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/edshelton/] Ed's blog: https://fox-runner.com/ [https://fox-runner.com/]Ed's running stats: https://ultrasignup.com/m_results_participant.aspx?fname=Ed&lname=Shelton [https://ultrasignup.com/m_results_participant.aspx?fname=Ed&lname=Shelton] Paul Propster:Paul on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-propster/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-propster/] Luna Malbroux:Luna on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luna-malbroux-03062110/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/luna-malbroux-03062110/] Luna's website: https://www.lunaisamerica.com/ [https://www.lunaisamerica.com/] A.J. Haynes:A.J. on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/a-j-haynes/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/a-j-haynes/] A.J. on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/a.j.haynes/ [https://www.instagram.com/a.j.haynes/] A.J. and The Seratones: https://www.seratones.com/bio [https://www.seratones.com/bio] Sky Hilton:Skye on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/skye-hilton-6240a6bb/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/skye-hilton-6240a6bb/] Troy Whittington:Troy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/troy-whittington-36847b14/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/troy-whittington-36847b14/] Gray Garmon:Gray on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/graygarmon/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/graygarmon/] Marion Leary:Marion on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marionleary/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marionleary/] Marion's Website: https://marionleary.mystrikingly.com/ [https://marionleary.mystrikingly.com/] Marion on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Leary [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Leary] Baratunde Thurston:Baratunde's Website: https://www.baratunde.com/ [https://www.baratunde.com/] Baratunde on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/baratunde/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/baratunde/] Baratunde on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/baratunde [https://www.instagram.com/baratunde] Baratunde on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/baratunde [https://www.youtube.com/baratunde] Baratunde on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@baratunde [https://www.tiktok.com/@baratunde] Baratune's Newsletter: https://newsletter.baratunde.com/ [https://newsletter.baratunde.com/] Episode website: Learn more about the show: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/ [https://www.cjfpodcast.com/] Follow us:Creativity is the Job of the Future on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/] Doreen Lorenzo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/] Michael Baker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/] Rebecca McInroy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy]

Baratunde Thurston: Creative Connection

In this conversation with hosts Doreen Lorenzo and Michael Baker, Baratunde Thurston, creator of the Life with Machines podcast and host of PBS's America Outdoors, explains why creativity is the antidote to AI's "planet of averageness" and why the real danger isn't that robots will take over, it's that people will become robots through the industrialization of creative thought. More about Baratunde:Baratunde's Website: https://www.baratunde.com/ [https://www.baratunde.com/] Baratunde on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/baratunde/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/baratunde/] Baratunde on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/baratunde [https://www.instagram.com/baratunde] Baratunde on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/baratunde [https://www.youtube.com/baratunde] Baratunde on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@baratunde [https://www.tiktok.com/@baratunde] Baratune's Newsletter: https://newsletter.baratunde.com/ [https://newsletter.baratunde.com/] Episode website: Learn more about the show: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/ [https://www.cjfpodcast.com/] Follow us:Creativity is the Job of the Future on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/creativity-is-the-job-of-the-future/] Doreen Lorenzo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/] Michael Baker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/] Rebecca McInroy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy]

Marion Leary: The Creative Future of Nursing

When Marion Leary had her breakthrough moment at the Philadelphia Science Festival, staring at a virtual reality booth, she realized something that would reshape her entire career: the creative tools from design and technology could revolutionize how we teach people to save lives. In this conversation with Marion explains that what nurses call "workarounds" are actually a creative thinking in disguise, and why bringing human-centered design into nursing education is transforming healthcare from the inside out. More about Marion:Marion on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marionleary/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marionleary/] Marion's Website: https://marionleary.mystrikingly.com/ [https://marionleary.mystrikingly.com/] Marion on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Leary [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Leary] Episode website: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/episodes/marion-leary [https://www.cjfpodcast.com/episodes/marion-leary] Learn more about the show: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/ [https://www.cjfpodcast.com/] Follow us:Doreen Lorenzo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/doreenlorenzo/] Michael Baker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlchaelbaker/] Rebecca McInroy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamcinroy]