LLC or S-Corp? - How to choose your business structure | EP077
Your buddy at the gym swears an S Corp will save you a fortune. Your accountant says don't bother. Who's right? Both — and it comes down to one number most people get wrong: profit, not revenue.
In this Playbook of the Wealthy episode, financial advisors Dave Grant of Retirement Matters and Heather Townsend of Townsend Financial untangle the LLC-vs-S-Corp confusion clogging your social feed. Heather (a self-described "humongous nerd") goes deep on the real math — the self-employment tax savings everyone brags about, the costs that quietly erode them, the QBI deduction, the PTET state-tax workaround, putting kids on payroll, and the reasonable-salary trap that gets S Corps audited — while Dave keeps her out of the weeds.
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★ WHAT YOU'LL LEARN ★
▸ Why "I'm an LLC" is the wrong answer to "how are you taxed?" — an LLC is liability protection, not a tax status, and you tell the IRS how it's taxed
▸ The S Corp tax savings explained simply: pay yourself a W-2 wage, take the rest as distributions, and skip the 15.3% self-employment tax on that portion
▸ The costs that eat the savings — a separate 1120-S return, payroll software, unemployment and franchise taxes
▸ How the 20% QBI deduction shrinks once you're an S Corp, and why high earners in "specified service" businesses can lose it entirely
▸ PTET: the state-tax workaround that gets you a federal deduction past the SALT cap — but usually only if you're an S Corp or partnership
▸ The profit thresholds that actually matter: under $80K probably no, $80-150K run the numbers, $150-400K usually yes, $400K+ almost always
▸ Why a too-low salary is one of the biggest S Corp audit risks — pay yourself what it would cost to replace you
★ CHAPTERS ★
00:00 Cold open: who's right about the S Corp?
01:11 Welcome — LLC, S Corp, or none of the above?
03:11 Why "I'm an LLC" doesn't tell anyone how you're taxed
05:09 The trap: jumping to an S Corp too soon (profit, not revenue)
06:35 Benefit: the self-employment tax savings everyone talks about
08:53 Cost: S Corps are pricier and more complex
11:13 QBI: how the 20% deduction shifts under an S Corp
14:00 PTET: the state-tax workaround you need an S Corp for
17:42 Kids on payroll & retirement contribution math
19:56 The accountable plan and the Augusta rule
20:42 Who should actually elect: the profit thresholds
23:14 Heather's bow: the higher the profit, the more it makes sense
23:56 What Would You Do? — listener scenarios
28:15 Highlights: Heather's "woo woo" signs & Dave's gaming
34:00 Wrap up
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★ ABOUT THE SHOW ★
Playbook of the Wealthy makes wealth planning and retirement simple, clear, and approachable. Hosted by financial advisors Dave Grant of Retirement Matters and Heather Townsend of Townsend Financial.
★ DISCLAIMER ★
All opinions expressed by Dave Grant and Heather Townsend are solely their own and do not reflect the views of their respective wealth management firms. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon for investment decisions. Nothing in this material constitutes a solicitation for the sale or purchase of any securities. Clients of Retirement Matters and Townsend Financial may maintain positions of the securities discussed.
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