Soul Care Conversations

The Cost of "Yes" w/ Grant + Cheyanne Skeldon

In this episode of the Soul Care Conversations Podcast, host Mindy Caliguire sits down with Grant and Cheyanne Skeldon to discuss the unique challenges facing high-capacity leaders in the modern age. They explore the intersection of spiritual formation and mission-driven leadership, specifically addressing how young leaders can navigate the pressures of the digital world without sacrificing their inner health. Grant shares his personal journey through burnout and a pivotal "second salvation" in his leadership health, while Cheyenne provides insights into using life planning and frameworks to find an activated, sustainable rhythm for ministry. Chapters: 0:00 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY] - Opening prayer and the "occupational risk" of ministry 2:51 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=171s] - Introducing Grant and Cheyenne Skeldon 4:18 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=258s] - Cheyanne's journey into spiritual formation and soul care 5:51 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=351s] - Grant's start in leadership and the "pity invite" that changed everything 11:03 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=663s] - The myth that leadership must be lonely 13:54 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=834s] - How soul care impacts personal relationships and shared ministry 1 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=1062s]7:42 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=1062s] - Biblical perspective: Was the Apostle Paul a healthy leader? 20:56 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=1256s] - The Mustang vs. the Turtle: Finding your natural pace 23:05 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=1385s] - What is Life Planning? Using a lattice for personal growth 28:56 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=1736s] - The power of noticing and the Culture Index assessment 32:18 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=1938s] - Reaching Gen Z: Big brother/sister seasons and new workshops 40:35 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=2435s] - Diagnosing burnout across four life domains 46:31 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=2791s] - Why processing the modern world in four-second clips leads to exhaustion 53:38 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=3218s] - The Brazil Story: When high-capacity leadership hits a breaking point 1:01:42 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zm-zgPdfY&t=3702s] - Final thoughts on maintaining a healthy interior life Resources Mentioned: - The Patterson Center (Life Planning process) https://patersoncenter.com/ - Culture Index (Personality and work wiring assessment) https://www.cultureindex.com/ - The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero https://www.amazon.com/Emotionally-Healthy-Leader-Transforming-Transform/dp/0310494575 - THINQ (Gabe Lyons) https://thinqmedia.com/ - Barna Group (David Kinnaman) https://www.barna.com/ - Way Church Nashville https://www.waychurch.com/ - Five-Fold Survey (APEST assessment) https://fivefoldministry.com/ - Jason Jackson (Gen Z Christian content creator) https://www.instagram.com/thejasonjacksonjr/?hl=en

Choosing Hope - Navigating the AI Frontier w/ Daniel Norris

In this episode, we sit down with Daniel Norris, a missionary, technophile, and HubSpot solutions partner who has been a vital part of the Soul Care team for over five years. Daniel shares his unique journey - from growing up in a missionary family in New Zealand and Hawaii to pioneering youth ministries in Australia.We dive deep into the intersection of technology and faith, discussing Daniel’s recent experiments with "vibe coding" AI-driven apps and his philosophy of "human-finished" work. We also explore the critical importance of healthy rhythms, the courage it takes to advocate for a sabbatical, and the power of consistency in a high-stakes, digital world.Chapters:00:00 - Welcome and Introduction to Daniel Norris00:56 - The LinkedIn Layover: How the Partnership Started02:51 - A Kiwi Upbringing: Growing up in Global Missions06:59 - Finding Faith and Surfing in Australia10:14 - Early Technophile: Building Websites and Editing Video in 200213:50 - Influencing Youth Culture: Pioneering Youth Street17:42 - The "Plentiful Harvest": The Need for Multiplying Ministry21:32 - Communication vs. Noise: Learning to Value Feedback26:38 - Marriage and the Gift of Slowing Down31:24 - The Sabbatical Decision: Choosing Obedience over Policy41:34 - Soul Care’s Evolution: From Vision to Impact44:33 - Navigating the AI Frontier: Choosing Hope over Doom55:25 - The Framework: Human-Inspired, AI-Assisted, Human-Finished57:57 - Vibe Coding: Building Apps at the Speed of Thought01:09:10 - The Master Craftsman: Precision, Logic, and Innovation01:16:38 - Saying "No" to Good for Great: Leadership Principles01:23:23 - Consistency as a 40th Year Milestone01:26:06 - How to Connect with DanielResources Mentioned:Soul Care Journal App: A digital companion to the physical 90-day journal.https://apps.apple.com/us/app/soul-care-journal/id6760571093Dialed Shots App: Daniel's custom-built espresso logging app for coffee enthusiasts. https://apps.apple.com/kz/app/dialed-shots/id6760679055Culture Index: The personality assessment identifying Daniel as a "Master Craftsman".https://www.cultureindex.com/HubSpot: The platform where Daniel serves as a Solutions Partner.Claude (Anthropic): The AI tool Daniel recommends for its advanced coding and reasoning capabilities.https://app.hubspot.com/Connect with Daniel: Visit danielnorris.com or find him on LinkedIn.https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielrnorris/

The Ezra Year : Hardwiring Soul Care into Your Org w/ David Zimmerman

In this episode of Soul Care Conversations, host Mindy Caliguire sits down with David Zimmerman, publisher at NavPress, to discuss the intersection of leadership, organizational identity, and personal soul care. David shares the journey of leading NavPress through an "Ezra Year" of restoration and explains how "The Message" paraphrase of the Bible continues to shape their mission today.* Episode Chapters 00:00 – Behind the scenes and setup 01:41 – Welcome David Zimmerman, Publisher at NavPress 03:41 – The history and mission of NavPress 06:49 – Connecting with The Message Bible 14:23 – Finding yourself: Insights from The Message 18:48 – The dangers of comparison in leadership 23:02 – Announcement: *Ignite Your Soul* now in Spanish 26:52 – Navigating identity: The "Ezra Year" at NavPress 32:27 – Bold, Loving, and Sensible: A new tagline 37:46 – Leading through crisis: Global supply chains and contracts 42:32 – Overcoming isolation: Therapy, coaching, and spiritual direction 48:42 – Standing fearless on the "Cliff Edge of Doom" 52:27 – The power of play: From sitcom readings to the ukulele 56:45 – Closing thoughts and book giveaway Resources Mentioned Book: Ignite Your Soul by Mindy Caliguire. https://www.soulcare.com/ignite-your-soul Spanish Edition: Enciende tu Alma.https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Mindy-Caliguire/dp/B0FD7R14KB Bible Translation: The Message by Eugene Peterson.https://messagebible.com/ NavPress: The publishing ministry of The Navigators.https://www.navpress.com/ Church Connect: Resource for churches to purchase books in bulk.https://www.church-connect.com/ Connect with the Guest David Zimmerman: Find him on LinkedIn for his weekly "Monday in The Message" posts. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-zimmerman-6410a03/ NavPress: Visit (http://NavPress.com) or follow them on social media.

How a Leader’s Body Signals Spiritual Fear w/ Jason Malec

In this episode, host Mindy Caliguire is joined by longtime friend and advisor Jason Malec to discuss the deep integration of spiritual formation and leadership. Jason shares his personal journey from a Catholic upbringing to a period of severe deconstruction during seminary, and his eventual move into church planting and leading major non-profits. The conversation explores the manifestation of fear and stress in a leader's life, the power of breath prayer, and a thoughtful perspective on how AI can be used for human flourishing. 00:00 Introduction to SoulCare Conversations 05:30 Jason’s Journey into Ministry and Early Faith 10:10 Deconstruction in Seminary: The Metaphor of Dangling Garments 14:48 Finding Safe Spaces for Doubt and Prayer 19:07 Four Phases of Spiritual Development 22:20 The Power of Breath Prayer and the Jesus Prayer 25:22 Creating Safe Places for Seekers 27:23 The Physical Manifestation of Leadership Stress and Fear 33:02 AI and Faith: Confronting the Singularity and Existential Fear 37:52 Redemptive Technology: AI as a Mirror of Human Character 41:11 The Future of AI in Human Flourishing and Disease Correction 42:59 Trusted Resources for Faith and Technology 45:16 Connecting with God through Sacred Pathways 49:30 Closing Remarks and Contact Information Resources Mentioned Thomas Merton’s Prayer:A prayer about the comfort of not knowing everything and the desire to please God being enough.https://reflections.yale.edu/article/seize-day-vocation-calling-work/merton-prayer Sacred Pathways by Gary Thomas: A book exploring the diverse ways individuals connect with God (e.g., naturalist, intellectual, activist).https://garythomas.com/books/sacred-pathways/ The Jesus Prayer: A traditional breath prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Prayer Links & Connections Jason Malec: You can connect with Jason at ide8.org or find him on LinkedIn, where he is currently running a series on AI and human flourishing. Jeremy Utley: For more on technology and faith, visit jeremyutley.com or listen to his podcast (details available in his web resources). SoulCare Conversations: Join the mailing list for weekly scripture engagement and guidance.

When a T-Bone Collision Becomes a Divine Reset w/ ECFA

For nearly 50 years, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA) has served as the "gold standard" for donor trust among Christian organizations. However, a new crisis of confidence is emerging that goes beyond financial numbers to focus on the health of the leaders themselves. In this episode, the President and CEO of ECFA and the Senior VP of Member Accountability discuss the groundbreaking Excellence in Leader Care Standard. They share personal journeys, from life-altering accidents to the "messy middle" of organizational change which led to the realization that the health of an organization is inseparable from the health of its senior leader. 00:00 – Introduction to the intersection of spiritual formation and leadership. 01:58 – The 50-year legacy of ECFA and the "blue seal of trust". 03:57 – Origin story: How Billy Graham and other leaders formed ECFA to address a national crisis of confidence. 06:21 – Adopting a redemptive posture: Moving from "policing" to coaching and building up the church. 08:51 – The heart behind the mission: Why accountability accelerates the gospel.14:16 – Breaking down the Excellence in Leader Care Standard: Requiring boards and leaders to co-create annual care plans. 18:15 – Biblical foundations and practical commentary for holistic leader care. 20:51 – "As the leader goes, so goes the organization": Why leadership health is the foundation of integrity. 27:51 – Resilience in the "messy middle": Staying the course through organizational change. 34:02 – Michael Martin on hitting the wall and finding God’s strength in weakness. 41:56 – Jake Lapp’s T-Bone moment: When a physical crisis forced a new reliance on the Creator. 50:31 – The "Trickle-Down" effect: How board-level care for a CEO transforms the entire staff culture. 56:11 – Shifting from legal preparation to speaking from the heart. Resources Mentioned ECFA Official Website: https://www.ecfa.org 10Leader Care Standard: https://www.ecfa.org/leadercare Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ecfaccountability/