The Aerospace Executive Podcast

The Pro Sports of Business: What PE Demands From Aerospace Leaders w/ Adam Coffey

Private equity is often talked about like it’s either a villain or a jackpot. Founders fear it, corporate executives romanticize it, employees hear horror stories, and everyone seems to have an opinion about what happens when PE walks into a business. But that framing misses the bigger shift happening across American industry. Private equity is no longer some niche financial corner of the market. It has become one of the most powerful forces shaping who owns companies, how businesses scale, how executives are evaluated, and how wealth gets created.  The misconception is that PE is simply about financial engineering. But the real story is execution. In a PE-backed company, the pace changes, scoreboard, and expectations change. You’re no longer running a comfortable, founder-dependent business or managing a narrow slice of a giant corporate machine. You’re being asked to build value quickly, professionally, and repeatedly. But for the people who can make that transition, the opportunity is enormous. Private equity can give founders a way to take chips off the table without walking away from the business they built. It can help executives move from earning a comfortable income to building real wealth. And it can turn unglamorous, overlooked industries like aerospace suppliers and manufacturing businesses into serious wealth-building platforms. In this episode, I sit down with Adam Coffey, a veteran private equity CEO, author of The Private Equity Playbook, and operator behind more than $2.5 billion in exits as a CEO. We talk about what private equity actually demands from founders and executives, why so many people misunderstand the opportunity, and what it really takes to survive and win in a PE-backed environment.   You’ll also learn; * Why private equity has become one of the biggest forces shaping modern business ownership * What it means to treat business like a professional sport * Why many founders do not survive the first PE hold period * How selling to private equity changes your role from owner to shareholder, employee, and partner * Why the founder mentality that built the company can eventually become the thing that limits it * Why PE firms want process, leadership depth, and scalable systems, not founder heroics * What Adam calls the “rule of 130,” and why it matters for founder risk * The difference between being a platform company and an add-on acquisition * What Fortune 500 executives often get wrong about moving into private equity * Why “boring” industries often create more wealth than glamorous corporate careers   About the Guest Adam Coffey is a CEO, board member, best-selling author, and acclaimed international speaker. He is a visionary leader who drives transformative growth and fosters high-performance cultures. With 25+ years of experience as CEO, Adam built 4 companies for 9 private equity firms. During this time period, he completed 58 acquisitions; his track record includes notable outcomes measured in the billions, averaging 4x MOIC at exit. Adam is a respected mentor to MBA candidates and a sought-after speaker at top business schools. He brings diverse expertise from commercial and industrial service businesses, alongside being a licensed general contractor, pilot, former GE executive, and US Army veteran. As an author, Adam's books "The Private Equity Playbook" (2019)(2024), "The Exit Strategy Playbook" (2021), and Empire Builder (2023) all became #1 Amazon Best Sellers. Recognized as one of the "Most Influential Leaders" by the Orange County, CA Business Journal (4x), he founded the CEO Advisory Guru in 2021, providing consulting services to private equity firms, their portfolio companies, and to founders. Connect with Adam on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamecoffey/].  About Your Host Craig Picken is an Executive Recruiter, writer, speaker, and ICF Trained Executive Coach. He is focused on recruiting senior-level leadership, sales, and operations executives in the aviation and aerospace industry. His clients include premier OEMs, aircraft operators, leasing/financial organizations, and Maintenance/Repair/Overhaul (MRO) providers, and since 2008, he has personally concluded more than 400 executive-level searches in a variety of disciplines. Craig is the ONLY industry executive recruiter who has professionally flown airplanes, sold airplanes, and successfully run a P&L in the aviation industry. His professional career started with a passion for airplanes. After eight years’ experience as a decorated Naval Flight Officer – with more than 100 combat missions, 2,000 hours of flight time, and 325 aircraft carrier landings – Craig sought challenges in business aviation, where he spent more than 7 years in sales with both Gulfstream Aircraft and Bombardier Business Aircraft. Craig is also a sought-after industry speaker who has presented at Corporate Jet Investor, International Aviation Women’s Association, and SOCAL Aviation Association.   For more aerospace industry news & commentary: https://craigpicken.com/insights/ [https://craigpicken.com/insights/].  To learn more about Craig Picken, visit https://craigpicken.com/ [https://craigpicken.com/].

Space Infrastructure…The New Logistics Opportunity w/ Dr. Robert Sproles

The space industry is treated like it’s a collection of launches - rockets, satellites, new vehicles, and programs. But that framing misses what’s actually being built right now and how significant it is. What’s happening in space is not just a launch boom. It’s the early construction of a permanent logistics and infrastructure layer that will eventually make access to orbit feel normal, repeatable, and almost invisible.  The same way we stop thinking about the shipping routes behind Amazon deliveries or the cargo planes moving goods across continents, future businesses won’t obsess over which rocket carried their payload. They’ll care about reliability, timing, orbit, and outcomes. That shift changes the role companies like Exolaunch play in the market. They are not simply “booking rides” to space. They’re helping create the connective tissue between launch providers, satellite operators, insurers, regulators, logistics systems, and the growing commercial demand for orbital infrastructure. And as launch capacity remains constrained, that coordination layer becomes incredibly valuable. One of the most overlooked dynamics in space right now is that demand is no longer the problem. The real bottleneck is orchestration. There are more satellites, more commercial applications, more defense use cases, more data demands, and more infrastructure ambitions than the market can currently support.  Launch windows are getting booked years in advance. Entire business models now depend on access to orbit. And increasingly, companies are realizing that flexibility matters more than loyalty to any single launch provider. In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Robert Sproles, CEO of Exolaunch, to talk about what this next phase of the space economy actually looks like. We unpack why launch is becoming an infrastructure business, how Exolaunch built a global launch integration company without venture capital, and what most people misunderstand about how commercial space is evolving. You’ll also learn: * Why the biggest story in space is not rockets, but infrastructure * What “launch-constrained” really means, and why demand still exceeds available capacity * Why launch availability is starting to resemble supply chain and logistics management * How Exolaunch became a critical coordination layer between launch providers and satellite companies * Why future space customers may stop caring which rocket carries their payload * How launch integration is evolving into a full-service ecosystem, including insurance, customs, tariffs, logistics, and mission planning * Why launch flexibility matters more than locking into a single provider * What happens when launch providers prioritize their own internal programs over commercial availability * Why some launch vehicles are booked years into the future * How the growth of orbital infrastructure mirrors the historical buildout of railroads, shipping, and aviation * Why “up mass” and “down mass” are becoming equally important commercial opportunities * How returning material from orbit could unlock entirely new manufacturing markets * Why Europe’s engineering ecosystem helped Exolaunch scale efficiently without heavy VC funding * What bootstrapped growth looks like inside a capital-intensive industry * How Exolaunch uses aggregation to reduce risk for both launch providers and satellite operators * Why passion and curiosity matter more than resumes in fast-moving aerospace environments * What the next 10–20 years of commercial space infrastructure could look like if current trends continue   About the Guest Dr. Robert Sproles is the CEO of Exolaunch. Exolaunch is a global leader in launch mission management, satellite integration, and satellite deployment technologies. With a decade of flight heritage and 650+ satellites launched across 41 missions to date, Exolaunch leverages industry insight to tailor turnkey solutions that meet customer needs and respond to market trends. Exolaunch fulfills launch contracts for industry leaders, the world's most innovative startups, research institutions, government organizations, and international space agencies. The company develops and manufactures its own flight-proven, industry-leading satellite separation systems and payload launch stacks, with the fastest-growing heritage in the market. Exolaunch, headquartered in Germany, operates globally with offices in the US, France, and Japan. Exolaunch promotes safe, sustainable, and responsible use of space and is committed to making space accessible for all. With over 20 years of experience in engineering leadership, Robert is passionate about strategic planning and developing technical capabilities at scale. To learn more, visit https://www.exolaunch.com/ [https://www.exolaunch.com/] and connect with him on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsproles/].    About Your Host   Craig Picken is an Executive Recruiter, writer, speaker, and ICF Trained Executive Coach. He is focused on recruiting senior-level leadership, sales, and operations executives in the aviation and aerospace industry. His clients include premier OEMs, aircraft operators, leasing/financial organizations, and Maintenance/Repair/Overhaul (MRO) providers, and since 2008, he has personally concluded more than 400 executive-level searches in a variety of disciplines. Craig is the ONLY industry executive recruiter who has professionally flown airplanes, sold airplanes, and successfully run a P&L in the aviation industry. His professional career started with a passion for airplanes. After eight years’ experience as a decorated Naval Flight Officer – with more than 100 combat missions, 2,000 hours of flight time, and 325 aircraft carrier landings – Craig sought challenges in business aviation, where he spent more than 7 years in sales with both Gulfstream Aircraft and Bombardier Business Aircraft. Craig is also a sought-after industry speaker who has presented at Corporate Jet Investor, International Aviation Women’s Association, and SOCAL Aviation Association.    Check out this episode on our website [https://aerospaceexecutive.podbean.com/], Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-aerospace-executive-podcast/id1353891134/], or Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/4yFXeO6eiYQTSDEtlQ2K6x?si=61d6b2bd825c4ed1/], and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm, so our show reaches more people. Thank you!    For more aerospace industry news & commentary: https://craigpicken.com/insights/ [https://craigpicken.com/insights/].  To learn more about Craig Picken, visit https://craigpicken.com/ [https://craigpicken.com/].

$100 Oil, Spirit Airlines and Why Aerospace Buyers Are Still Leaning In w/ Bill Alderman

Oil is $100, airline losses are starting to show up, and Spirit’s collapse is exposing just how hard it is to run an ultra-low-cost model when low cost has disappeared. Any one of those signals could make buyers cautious. Taken together, they should raise a bigger question: why are buyers inside middle-market aerospace and defense still leaning in? Public aerospace companies are still trading at strong multiples. Strategics still have currency. Private equity is still chasing platforms. Founder-owned businesses with real capabilities are still getting serious attention. Middle-market aerospace may be feeling pressure, but it is not behaving like a fragile market. What makes this part of the industry so unusual is that value is not tied to one clean growth story. Commercial airlines may be exposed to fuel prices. Ultra-low-cost carriers may struggle when “low cost” disappears from the system. But the middle market is full of companies supporting business aviation, defense, engine work, MRO, parts, certifications, and long-standing product lines that remain incredibly hard to replace. This is why buyers are not just chasing growth. They are chasing durability. In a world where many sectors are being disrupted quickly, aerospace and defense still reward businesses that can do difficult, regulated, safety-critical work consistently. In this episode, I sit down with Bill Alderman for our 300th episode of the Aerospace Executive podcast and for Bill’s 25th year in the business. In this conversation, we unpack what the market is really telling us right now: where the strength is real, where the risks are starting to show, and why the best buyers in this industry still understand something tourists often miss: that aerospace rewards people who think long term.   You’ll also learn; * Why $100 oil is not an immediate market killer, but could become a serious drag if it stays elevated * What airline losses may be signaling, and why Spirit’s collapse is not necessarily the canary in the coal mine * Why rich public market multiples give aerospace buyers more room to pay attractive prices * How business aviation flight hours, fractional ownership, and OEM backlogs are strengthening the aftermarket story * Why “capacity,” maintenance demand, and physical capability continue to matter in an AI-disrupted economy * What makes aerospace and defense more durable than many other sectors * Why carve-outs and spin-offs can unlock focus, energy, and operational performance * How companies can become too large and lose the focus that made individual divisions valuable * Why brands like Bendix, Slick, and other long-standing product names still carry enormous value in the maintenance hangar * What private equity “tourists” often misunderstand about aerospace and defense * Why industry knowledge matters when owning companies that support safety-critical systems * The difference between making money in aerospace and respecting the long-term responsibility that comes with owning aerospace assets   About the Guest William H. Alderman (Bill) is the Founding Partner of Alderman & Company. Bill is an M&A specialist in the middle market of the aerospace and defense industry with over $2 billion in mergers and acquisition-related transactions to his name. Before founding Alderman & Company in 2001, Bill worked for 15 years on Wall Street and in the Aerospace & Defense Industry, principally on M&A transactions in the middle market. His employers included BT Securities, Fieldstone, and General Electric. Bill is a Securities Principal registered with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (“FINRA”) and has four securities industry licenses (Series 7, 24, 63, and 65). Bill is a commercial pilot and owns and operates a Cirrus SR22. * URL Link: https://www.aldermanco.com/ [https://www.aldermanco.com/] * LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamalderman/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamalderman/] About Your Host Craig Picken is an Executive Recruiter, writer, speaker, and ICF-trained Executive Coach. He is focused on recruiting senior-level executives in sales and operations across the aviation and aerospace industry. His clients include premier OEMs, aircraft operators, leasing/financial organizations, and Maintenance/Repair/Overhaul (MRO) providers. Since 2008, he has personally concluded more than 400 executive-level searches in a variety of disciplines. Craig is the ONLY industry executive recruiter who has professionally flown airplanes, sold airplanes, and successfully run a P&L in the aviation industry. His professional career started with a passion for airplanes. After eight years’ experience as a decorated Naval Flight Officer – with more than 100 combat missions, 2,000 hours of flight time, and 325 aircraft carrier landings – Craig sought challenges in business aviation, where he spent more than 7 years in sales with both Gulfstream Aircraft and Bombardier Business Aircraft. Craig is also a sought-after industry speaker who has presented at Corporate Jet Investor, the International Aviation Women’s Association, and the SOCAL Aviation Association.

IPOs Are Back and Changing Aerospace Deals, Here’s Why w/ Nick Fazioli

Aerospace has always been a cyclical industry, one sector up, another down, capital moving cautiously between them. That’s not what’s happening right now. Every major sector is ripping at the same time, for completely different reasons. Commercial is coming back online. Aftermarket and MRO have been running hot since COVID. Defense is being pulled forward by geopolitical demand. Business aviation has settled into a stronger, more stable “new normal.”  It’s rare to see this kind of synchronized momentum across the entire ecosystem, and when it happens, it changes how capital behaves. For years, aerospace exits were predictable. You built a solid business, ran an M&A process, and sold. IPOs were barely part of the conversation. Industrial manufacturing wasn’t exactly exciting to public market investors. Now, IPOs are not only viable, but they’re also often the better option. Industrial businesses that used to be seen as slow, capital-heavy, and unsexy are suddenly being revalued as AI-proof, infrastructure-critical, and in some cases, direct beneficiaries of the AI boom.  And that shift is forcing a new level of sophistication from operators. Because today, you’re not just deciding whether to sell; you’re deciding how to exit in a market with more options than ever before. Traditional M&A, IPOs, continuation vehicles—paths that barely existed or weren’t taken seriously six or seven years ago are now all on the table at the same time. At the same time, there’s a quiet risk underneath all of this. Fuel prices, geopolitical instability, and supply chain pressure. None of these have gone away. So the question isn’t just how long this run continues; it’s whether operators are actually prepared for the version of the market we’re in now. In this episode, I’m joined by the Global Head of Aerospace and Aviation Investment Banking at Jefferies, Nick Fazioli. He breaks down what’s really driving this moment across aviation, defense, and industrials, and what it means for operators thinking about growth, capital, and exit strategy in a market that looks very different from it did just a few years ago.   You’ll also learn; * The unexpected shift: how “boring” industrial manufacturing became one of the most attractive investment categories * Why IPOs are suddenly back, and in some cases outperforming traditional M&A exits * How AI is indirectly reshaping aerospace valuations through energy, infrastructure, and supply chain demand * The rise of continuation vehicles and why operators now have more exit paths than ever before * Where private equity and institutional capital are actually placing bets right now (and why MRO is so competitive) * The hidden risks: fuel prices, geopolitics, and consumer pressure, and how quickly they could impact the system * Why operators need to become far more strategic, not just in building businesses, but in positioning them for exit     About the Guest Nick Fazioli is the Global Head of Aerospace and Aviation Investment Banking at Jefferies, where he leads one of the most active practices across commercial aviation, business aviation, and aerospace services. Over the past 16 years, he’s been at the center of some of the most significant transactions in business aviation, including the sale of Marquis Jet to NetJets and West Star Aviation’s exit to Greenbriar Equity Group. With a front-row seat to M&A, capital markets, and the evolving investor landscape, Nick brings a unique perspective on where capital is flowing and how operators should be thinking about growth and exit strategy in today’s market. Connect with Nick on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickfazioli/].  About Your Host Craig Picken is an Executive Recruiter, writer, speaker, and ICF Trained Executive Coach. He is focused on recruiting senior-level leadership, sales, and operations executives in the aviation and aerospace industry. His clients include premier OEMs, aircraft operators, leasing/financial organizations, and Maintenance/Repair/Overhaul (MRO) providers, and since 2008, he has personally concluded more than 400 executive-level searches in a variety of disciplines. Craig is the ONLY industry executive recruiter who has professionally flown airplanes, sold airplanes, and successfully run a P&L in the aviation industry. His professional career started with a passion for airplanes. After eight years’ experience as a decorated Naval Flight Officer – with more than 100 combat missions, 2,000 hours of flight time, and 325 aircraft carrier landings – Craig sought challenges in business aviation, where he spent more than 7 years in sales with both Gulfstream Aircraft and Bombardier Business Aircraft. Craig is also a sought-after industry speaker who has presented at Corporate Jet Investor, International Aviation Women’s Association, and SOCAL Aviation Association.    For more aerospace industry news & commentary: https://craigpicken.com/insights/ [https://craigpicken.com/insights/].  To learn more about Craig Picken, visit https://craigpicken.com/ [https://craigpicken.com/].

Controlling Catastrophe: Why Captive Insurance Makes Sense w/ John C. Averill and Andy Shuttleworth

Most operators think insurance is about protection. Buy a policy, transfer the risk, move on. But what if that model is quietly draining your margins instead of protecting them? Because here’s the reality: in aviation, it’s not the catastrophic losses that kill your business; it’s everything else.  The unexpected maintenance event that isn’t covered. The operational hiccups you don’t want to claim. The hangar rash that never makes it to a claim, and you just absorb it. The constant, low-level financial hits that feel too small to insure but too frequent to ignore. Over time, it’s death by a thousand cuts, and traditional insurance was never built to solve that. What’s starting to emerge instead is a different mindset: stop thinking of insurance purely as a cost center, and start treating it as a financial strategy. Not to replace the traditional market, but to take back control of everything it leaves behind.  Because when you structure it right, the same dollars you’re used to losing can actually compound back into your business, building reserves, improving margins, and turning risk management into a profit lever instead of a drain. That’s exactly what captive insurance allows operators to do: take control of the risks traditional aviation insurance won’t cover and structure them in a way that actually works for the business. John C. Averill and Andy Shuttleworth are two experts working at the intersection of aviation risk and captive insurance.  In this episode, we talk about how operators can formalize self-insurance, why most people misunderstand what captives actually are, and how some businesses are quietly using them to retain profits, smooth volatility, and build long-term financial resilience.   You’ll also learn; * Why the real financial pressure in aviation doesn’t come from where most operators think * What actually sits outside traditional aviation insurance and why it matters more than it seems * The shift from transferring risk to structuring it * How some operators are starting to take control of costs they’ve always absorbed * Why certain risks never make it into a policy and what can be done about them * The difference between reacting to losses and designing for them * Why the most sophisticated companies approach insurance very differently * What changes when risk starts to show up on your balance sheet instead of someone else’s * How to think about control, claims, and costs in a completely different way * Why this isn’t a short-term fix, and what happens if you commit to it * Where this approach extends beyond aviation into broader operational risk * The biggest misconception about captives and why most people misunderstand them   About the Guests  John C. Averill is a Senior Vice President and risk advisor specializing in aviation, aerospace, and defense. His work sits at the intersection of operational risk, insurance, and legal frameworks, allowing him to design highly tailored solutions for complex exposures that traditional brokerage models often miss. With additional expertise in professional liability and environmental underwriting, John brings a broader, more integrated lens to risk, helping operators structure programs that go beyond standard coverage. He is part of a senior-level team with over 100 years of combined experience in insurance and risk management, including more than 50 years focused specifically on aerospace. Connect with John on LinkedIn [http://linkedin.com/in/johnaverill/].  Andy Shuttleworth is a Risk Management and Regulatory Compliance Consultant and the founder of Core Resilience LLC. With over 35 years of experience across federal and state agencies, he brings a deeply practical understanding of how risk, compliance, and operations intersect. Andy works with businesses to assess and strengthen their regulatory compliance, threat mitigation, and risk management strategies, offering an independent, unbiased perspective on where systems break down and how to improve them. His focus is on helping organizations protect not just their assets, but their long-term operational resilience and reputation. Connect with Andy on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-shuttleworth-austin-tx/].  About Your Host Craig Picken is an Executive Recruiter, writer, speaker, and ICF Trained Executive Coach. He is focused on recruiting senior-level leadership, sales, and operations executives in the aviation and aerospace industry. His clients include premier OEMs, aircraft operators, leasing/financial organizations, and Maintenance/Repair/Overhaul (MRO) providers, and since 2008, he has personally concluded more than 400 executive-level searches in a variety of disciplines. Craig is the ONLY industry executive recruiter who has professionally flown airplanes, sold airplanes, and successfully run a P&L in the aviation industry. His professional career started with a passion for airplanes. After eight years’ experience as a decorated Naval Flight Officer – with more than 100 combat missions, 2,000 hours of flight time, and 325 aircraft carrier landings – Craig sought challenges in business aviation, where he spent more than 7 years in sales with both Gulfstream Aircraft and Bombardier Business Aircraft. Craig is also a sought-after industry speaker who has presented at Corporate Jet Investor, International Aviation Women’s Association, and SOCAL Aviation Association.    For more aerospace industry news & commentary: https://craigpicken.com/insights/ [https://craigpicken.com/insights/].  To learn more about Craig Picken, visit https://craigpicken.com/ [https://craigpicken.com/].