The Method to Our Madness

The GovCon Stories Project: What Happens When Public Service Jobs Disappear

What does it mean to be “DOGEd”? In this powerful episode of The Method to Our Madness Podcast, hosts Stacey and Bill sit down with sociologist Tara Fannon, Ph.D. to unpack the human impact behind the 2025 federal funding cuts—and the often-overlooked fallout for government contractors. Drawing from her GovCon Stories Project, Tara shares insights from a mixed-methods study of 92 surveyed contractors and in-depth interviews with 20 individuals affected by sudden layoffs. What emerges is a deeply personal look at job loss in a sector once seen as stable: stories of disrupted identities, financial strain, lost healthcare, and the emotional toll of feeling invisible and disposable.  This episode goes beyond the headlines to explore: * The psychological impact of being laid off from mission-driven work * How poor communication and lack of support compounded the crisis * Why long-held assumptions about stability in government contracting no longer hold true * How contractors are rebuilding—through entrepreneurship, upskilling, and new career paths  Despite the challenges, this conversation also highlights resilience. Many impacted professionals remain committed to public-service values while reimagining what equitable and sustainable work could look like in the future.  If you care about workforce equity, the future of government contracting, or the human stories behind economic disruption, this episode is a must-listen. A downloadable summary of the episode can be found here: Episode 14 notes [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FYGYwoKJrZvCQrCZZls_-7eQi2IHcQXD/view?usp=sharing] If you are interested in finding out more about services provided by Mind the Movement, their website can be found here: Mind the Movement [https://www.mindthemovement.org/] Podcast music written and produced by Stacey Merola. Podcast artwork created by Zoe Targino.

Residuals, Red Flags, and Reality: Lessons in Evaluation Management

In Episode 13 of The Method to Our Madness Podcast, we sit down with evaluation management expert Kirk Knestis to unpack the real-world challenges of managing evaluation firms and projects—and how to handle them like a pro. From avoiding scope creep to setting up airtight quality assurance processes, Kirk shares practical strategies that can make or break an evaluation project. He dives into why separating study protocols from contracts is essential, how to establish clear expectations with clients, and what it really takes to run evaluation work as a sustainable business. Through two cautionary “horror stories,” Kirk reveals common pitfalls—from misaligned reporting expectations to misunderstandings of statistical results—that can be problematic for even the most well-designed evaluations. Whether you’re leading projects, managing teams, or transitioning into independent consulting, this episode offers essential lessons on protecting your work, maintaining flexibility, and navigating client relationships with confidence. A longer summary of the episode can be found at Episode 13 Notes.  [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_-x5MheLPACOt0IkOS29M_n2btU-O9Zw/view?usp=sharing] Podcast music written and produced by Stacey Merola. Podcast artwork designed and created by Zoe Targino.

Training Tomorrow’s Evaluators in a Changing World

What does it take to prepare the next generation of evaluators to meet the challenges of a changing world? This episode dives into the shifting demands on the field, from federal funding uncertainty to the growing influence of AI tools, and the skills future evaluators will need to rise to the challenges. Our guests from the University of Minnesota discuss how future evaluators should be trained to think systemically, challenge assumptions, and act as collaborative problem-solvers, as well as possibly be prepared for an employment model based on project work, rather than extended tenure at one organization. Whether you're in education, public policy, or nonprofit work, this conversation offers timely insight into how evaluation is being redefined for the future.   Our guests this week from the University of Minnesota are: John Hitchcock, Ph.D. [https://olpd.umn.edu/people/john-hitchcock], Professor of Evaluation Studies and Marilyn Sime Professor for Educational Excellence, hitch141@umn.edu Jodi Benenson, Ph.D. [https://olpd.umn.edu/people/jodi-benenson], Associate professor in the Department of Organizational Leadership, Policy, and Development in the College of Education and Human Development, benenson@umn.edu Stuart Yeh, Ph.D. [https://olpd.umn.edu/stuart-yeh], Professor and Coordinator of Graduate Programs in Evaluation Studies, yehxx008@umn.edu [yehxx008@umn.edu]   We cover a lot of topics in this episode, so if desired, a written summary can be found here: Episode 12 summary [https://drive.google.com/file/d/10oMJXq6lEOWU8_77MssFHYM4fkDQUOaE/view?usp=sharing]   Podcast music written and produced by Stacey Merola. Podcast artwork by Zoe Targino.

Logic Models: Keeping them Simple, Useful, and Dynamic

Logic models don’t have to be complicated or static. In this conversation with guest Deborah Levy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-levy-7996a85/], Stacey and Bill discuss why simplicity matters, how logic models should evolve over time, and what happens when programs face unexpected challenges like shifting audiences or external disruptions. The episode also offers practical tips for engaging stakeholders, collecting data, and using logic models as living tools throughout an evaluation.    Podcast music written and produced by Stacey Merola. Podcast artwork by Zoe Targino.

The Practice and Judgement Behind Measuring Fidelity of Implementation

Fidelity of implementation is often talked about but rarely understood. In Episode 10 of The Method to Our Madness, Allan Porowski, Principal Associate at Abt Global, brings clarity to this critical concept in program evaluation. Drawing on years of experience and large‑scale evaluation work, Allan explains why fidelity metrics must be tailored to each program, how planned‑offered‑received frameworks reveal meaningful variation, and why imperfect implementation can still drive valuable insight. This episode offers practical wisdom for evaluators seeking to interpret results with context, nuance, and purpose.   Podcast music written and produced by Stacey Merola. Podcast artwork by Zoe Targino.