Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

Katharine Hayhoe says our climate theory of change was always broken

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Climate scientist Dr. Katharine Hayhoe — Nature Conservancy chief scientist, Texas Tech professor and author of "Saving Us" — joins Joel and Solitaire to explain why hope beats doom as a climate strategy, why more disasters don't produce more action (Canada's record 2023 wildfires didn't deliver a "climate election"), and the one underrated lever she'd hand a Fortune 500 CEO instead of another renewable-energy announcement.

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