Analog-ish: Seeking low-tech ideas in a high-tech world
In this episode, you'll hear a conversation that will stop you in your tracks — and then make you think differently about rest for the rest of your life. Chrissy King, author of The Body Liberation Project, writer, speaker, and educator, joins host Becky Mollenkamp to explore what rest actually means for Black women — and why it is not a universal experience. Chrissy opens by reading a Substack post that sparked this conversation: that she rests not just for herself, but for ancestors who never could. From there, the conversation moves through joy as a life purpose, the guilt of doing nothing in a productivity-obsessed culture, the link between body liberation and time freedom, how softness is a revolutionary act, and why white women claiming "rest is resistance" in this political moment is a problem. Honest, layered, and politically sharp. Topics Covered: • Rest as ancestral honoring: Chrissy reads the Substack post that sparked this episode — resting not just for herself, but for enslaved ancestors who never had that freedom — and the complex emotions that holding both rest and achievement creates for Black women. • What rest actually looks like: From Saturday morning reading to crochet, phone-free walks in NYC, and embracing boredom — how Chrissy has actively curated a slower, more joyful life, including the deliberate choice to be child-free. • Rejecting the girl boss revival: Why Chrissy refuses to participate in the return of hustle culture, and how she's disconnecting from external "should" messaging about productivity, wake-up times, and constant achievement. • Body liberation and time liberation are the same fight: The link between diet culture's rules about bodies and productivity culture's rules about time — both rooted in perfectionism and white supremacy, and both demanding we conform to someone else's template. • Softness as revolution: For Black women, allowing yourself to feel and be soft — in your home, your relationships, with yourself — is a radical act in a society that has historically withheld that softness from Black people. • "Rest is resistance" is not universal: A direct, unflinching conversation about why Trisha Hersey's message, while monumental, does not apply the same way to white women — and why this political moment demands that white people do active resistance work, not claim rest as their form of it. • White women and co-optation: How the body positivity movement and rest as resistance have both been watered down and co-opted by white women, and the difference between having a personal body image issue versus living in a systemically oppressed body. • The guilt inside the guilt: The double bind many Black people feel — the pressure to achieve because ancestors couldn't, and the guilt of resting when so many Black people still don't have access to rest and ease. • AI, humanity, and reclaiming deep thinking: Why outsourcing our thinking to AI — including how to navigate conflict with a friend — strips us of part of our humanity, and why the struggle and messiness of figuring things out is essential to being human. • Social media is a false sense of connection: How putting the phone down opened up space for real friendship, real community, and real creativity — and why what you're "missing" online is almost never worth what you lose by being on it. Resources Mentioned: • "The Body Liberation Project" by Chrissy King: https://amzn.to/4xpnYss [https://amzn.to/4xpnYss] • "Rest Is Resistance" by Tricia Hersey: https://amzn.to/4gfNRok [https://amzn.to/4gfNRok] • "Homegoing" by Yaa Gyasi: https://amzn.to/4glmh98 [https://amzn.to/4glmh98] • "Kin" by Tayari Jones: https://amzn.to/3SzPEL4 [https://amzn.to/3SzPEL4] • "An American Marriage" by Tayari Jones: https://amzn.to/3QxIRB4 [https://amzn.to/3QxIRB4] • "Silver Sparrow" by Tayari Jones: https://amzn.to/4eehkfJ [https://amzn.to/4eehkfJ] • "Where the Wildflowers Grow" by Terah Shelton Harris: https://amzn.to/3QBLMIX [https://amzn.to/3QBLMIX] Connect with Chrissy King: • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamchrissyking/ [https://www.instagram.com/iamchrissyking/] • The Liberation Collective: https://chrissyking.substack.com/ [https://chrissyking.substack.com/] • The Child Free Coven: https://thechildfreecoven.substack.com/ [https://thechildfreecoven.substack.com/] 🎤 JOIN US IN THE FEMINIST PODCASTERS COLLECTIVE: http://feministpodcastcollective.com/ [http://feministpodcastcollective.com/]
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