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Josh Cates didn't just survive 20 years in marketing—he thrived by making a contrarian choice that most agencies won't: prioritizing quality over explosive growth. As founder and CEO of Market Like a Hero, Josh grew his business 2.5x in the final stretch of his 20th year by niching down hard into home services (HVAC, plumbing, electrical) and building a team of former eight-figure operators who know exactly what it takes to scale from $5 million to $20 million and beyond. In this conversation, Josh breaks down the real story of AI in 2025—where it collapsed business owners who relied too heavily on it, and where it revolutionized his agency's ability to track actual revenue attribution through tools like Searchlight Digital that connect directly into ServiceTitan CRMs. He explains why his team looks at dispatch boards every Monday and revenue every Friday for every client, why they rewrote their entire SEO playbook mid-year as Google's AI changes hit, and how their client portfolio collectively grew 41% in top-line revenue while others were "screaming and running for the hills" about ChatGPT destroying search. Josh shares his philosophy on why AI is phenomenal for SOPs and strategy but dangerous when it replaces human instinct, how structured data expertise is revolutionizing rankings on Claude and voice search, and why—after 140% growth—he's deliberately targeting just 30-35% growth in 2026 because he refuses to sacrifice quality for quantity. Whether you're a home services business owner frustrated with marketing agencies that just hand you a dashboard, an entrepreneur wondering how to use AI without getting burned, or simply someone fascinated by leaders who know when to pump the brakes on growth, Josh's hard-won insights offer a masterclass in building a business that prioritizes client success over vanity metrics.
8 episodios
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