AuthentiCity FM, Episode 35: Visibility, Values, and the Next Generation with Dr. Shannon Portillo

AuthentiCity FM, Episode 38: Discernment, Intuition, and Competing Truths

#AuthentiCityFM #LocalGovernment #Leadership #PublicService #Discernment #CityManagementThis episode opens a summer series built around a question that has been sitting with the hosts for weeks. How do we develop discernment in a world where multiple truths are operating simultaneously? Rather than treating this as an abstract puzzle, the conversation grounds it in the everyday experience of local government, where people's lived experiences shape what they believe is true, and where those individual truths increasingly harden into group truths that resist data, resist logic, and resist careful analysis. A recurring thread throughout the episode is the tension between values and information. Using a framework built around liberty, equality, community, and prosperity, the hosts work through how a single issue, like a proposed data center, can pit those values against each other so completely that no amount of fact-finding will move people toward agreement. The lesson that emerges is less about winning arguments and more about learning to say I see it differently, a phrase borrowed from an unexpected umpire encounter that becomes a model for respectful disagreement. That same tension shows up in how practitioners experience their own professional identities, particularly online. The conversation turns to the difference between influence and influencer, and what it means to share honest perspective without performing for an audience or chasing engagement. Underneath all of it sits intuition, the gut feeling that something is right or wrong long before it can be explained. Both hosts share moments when trusting that instinct mattered more than any spreadsheet could, while also wrestling with how that instinct fits inside a profession built on data and process. By the end, two working definitions of discernment emerge, one broad and one shaped specifically for local government leadership, both of which will anchor the series ahead. Listeners are left with a question worth carrying into their own work and their own lives. Think of a time you were certain you were right, and later discovered you weren't. What changed? 00:00 Introduction to Discernment and Truth 02:14 Exploring Multiple Truths 05:10 Data Interpretation and Public Perception 08:03 The Role of Social Media in Shaping Truths 10:15 Community Engagement and Individual Perspectives 14:19 The Challenge of Groupthink 15:08 Data Centers and Public Values 18:02 Economic Development and Community Impact 21:40 Navigating Public Hearings and Community Values 24:05 The Importance of Perspective Taking 28:53 Evolving Systems and Structures in Governance 31:30 Communication Challenges in Modern Governance 35:09 Finding Innovative Solutions for Community Engagement 43:26 The Gift of Time and Reflection 45:23 The Power of Saying No 50:16 Influence and Responsibility in Leadership 57:41 Navigating Authenticity in Professional Spaces 01:10:48 The Role of Intuition in Decision Making

AuthentiCity FM, Episode 37: Origins, Ordinary, and Everything That Embiggens

A year in, the hosts of AuthentiCity FM do what any self-respecting Gen X podcast should eventually do. They pull a clip show. Framed around Mike's encyclopedic knowledge of early Simpsons episodes and sprung on Corri and Phil with zero warning, Episode 37 is the one where the curtain comes back a little. What started as a joke that wasn't really a joke — three local government professionals who thought it might be fun to push record and see if anyone cared — has become something none of them fully anticipated when they ordered their equipment and scheduled a demo recording that almost didn't happen. The episode opens with two pieces of news the hosts hadn't shared together publicly before. Phil is on the ballot for the ICMA Region C board seat, a candidacy that traces directly back to a nudge from two people who saw something in him before he was ready to see it himself. And Corri has written a book called Ordinary, built from the word lesson in its two spellings, and from a season of extraordinary disruption that pushed her back toward the small moments where real life actually happens. The conversation moves from celebration into something heavier and more honest. Mike reflects on the assassination of Melissa Hortman, a state representative and friend, and what it means to run an emergency response while the human grief waits its turn. Phil traces the toll of a profession that expects its best people to absorb the worst things and still show up the next morning. Corri connects the compound weight of it all to why peer groups, friendships, and the network you build before you need it are not optional infrastructure for this work. The episode closes with Phil turning the tables on his co-hosts, offering two stories about the specific moments he knew they were the real thing. And Corri closes it out with the simplest possible invitation. Don't be afraid of the yes. 00:00 Introduction to the Episode's Theme 03:14 The Simpsons Influence and Personal Stories 05:39 Phil's Campaign Journey and Community Engagement 08:45 Corri’s Book and Personal Reflections 11:39 Reflections on the Podcast's First Year 14:58 Technology and Podcasting Insights 17:38 Guest Reflections and Impactful Conversations 20:40 Personal Stories and Community Service 23:44 The Importance of Support Systems 39:17 Building Connections and Vulnerability 40:12 The Weight of Professional Trauma 47:09 Navigating Grief and Community Challenges 49:08 The Importance of Peer Support 50:37 The Value of Safe Spaces 52:14 Behind the Scenes of Podcasting 57:02 Looking Ahead: Future Episodes and Live Shows 01:08:52 The Power of Caring and Compassion ******* Ordinary: Harnessing the Power of Or in Everyday Moments (https://a.co/d/09XkxRlp [https://a.co/d/09XkxRlp]), also available on Kindle Unlimited Explore Seeing Across Time (https://v3xc.substack.com/ [https://v3xc.substack.com/])

AuthentiCity FM Episode 36: Legacy, Longevity, and the Lessons You Keep with Scott Neal

Some careers accumulate experience. A few accumulate wisdom. Scott Neal has been a city manager every day of his professional life since June 1st, 1988, and this conversation is a rare window into what nearly four decades in the chair actually looks like, not the polished version, but the honest one. The episode opens with Scott's unlikely origin story, a biblical epiphany in an urban politics class that redirected a 20-year-old economics student toward a profession he would never leave. From Norris, Tennessee to Mount Pleasant, Iowa to the Twin Cities metro, his career arc spans the full range of what local government can be, and he brings that breadth to every question the hosts put to him. The heart of the conversation is mentorship as infrastructure. Scott watched a keynote about gender imbalance in city management and decided that raising awareness was just a polished way of complaining. His response was to build something, a fellowship program that has now placed people in city manager and assistant manager chairs across the Twin Cities. The people who came through his program in their mid-twenties are now in their late thirties and paying it forward themselves. That is what a coaching tree looks like when it actually takes root. The episode doesn't stay in comfortable territory. Scott shares the story of an ICMA ethics censure, told with a candor that is genuinely rare in any professional context. What emerged from that experience wasn't bitterness. It was a reckoning with what it means to build real relationships in a profession that can be extraordinarily lonely, and a commitment to do it differently. His mother's line lands quietly and stays: if you want a friend, you gotta be a friend. The hosts add their own failure stories, and the cumulative effect is something the profession doesn't often make room for. The work is hard, people are meaner than they used to be, and the young professionals coming up behind us give us the best reason to keep going anyway. 00:00 Introduction to Authenticity FM and Guest Scott Neal 02:45 Scott Neal's Journey to City Management 07:32 Advice for Aspiring City Managers 11:15 The Importance of Mentorship in City Management 17:30 Creating a Legacy of Mentorship 21:14 The Challenge of Attracting New Talent 26:13 Reflections on 45 Years in Local Government 31:50 Scott Neal's Personal Life and Interests 37:03 Fun Questions and Closing Thoughts 39:39 Navigating Failures in Public Service 43:10 The Importance of Relationships in Leadership 51:10 Ethics and Accountability in Local Government 55:42 Building a Supportive Network 01:00:42 Pride in Mentorship and Legacy 01:03:01 The Role of Peer Groups in Professional Growth 01:11:42 Optimism for the Future of Local Government

AuthentiCity FM, Episode 35: Visibility, Values, and the Next Generation with Dr. Shannon Portillo

A generation that wants to make a difference is coming of age without a clear map for how to do it. Most of them have never heard of city management as a career. Fewer still understand that local government is where the most direct, tangible impact on people's daily lives actually happens. Dr. Shannon Portillo, Director of ASU's School of Public Affairs, NAPA fellow, and recently recognized Local Gov 250 champion, is dedicated to closing that gap. The episode traces how the pipeline is actually built: fellowship programs, shadowships, and gen ed courses that reach students across disciplines who never planned to think about local government. It explores what's genuinely different about this generation arriving at the profession's doorstep, the eagerness to make change, the instinct to ask why rather than comply, and the friction that surfaces when that energy meets organizations built on institutional knowledge and decades-old rules that mostly still work until suddenly they don't. Dr. Portillo introduces a reframe worth sitting with, the case for moving from a nonpartisan framework to a partisan-inclusive one, and why that distinction matters for the long-term trust and viability of the profession. It's not a comfortable argument, but it’s absolutely worth thinking about. The closing challenge is the one that lingers. When professional management is done really well, no one notices it's there. That invisibility has long been a point of professional pride, and it is quietly costing the profession its next generation. Speaking up about what this work actually is, and why it matters, isn't bragging. It's recruiting. #AuthentiCityFM #LocalGovernment #Leadership #PublicService #ASU 00:00 Introduction to Dr. Shannon Portillo 01:03 Dr. Portillo's Origin Story 04:05 The Transformation of ASU under Dr. Crow 09:04 Bridging Academia and Local Government Practice 11:39 The Evolving Role of Students in Public Service 14:37 Curriculum Changes and Community Partnerships 19:53 Building Strong Connections with Local Governments 23:40 The Importance of Shadowing in Career Development 29:31 Personal Insights and Hobbies of Dr. Portillo 38:13 Celebrating Public Service Champions 39:09 Understanding the National Academy of Public Administration 43:16 The Role of Local Government in Democracy 44:11 Why Choose ASU for Local Government Education 46:36 The Importance of Partisan Inclusivity in Public Service 49:50 Innovation in Local Government Education 51:48 Insights from New Professionals in Local Government 58:29 Navigating Change in Local Government 01:01:32 Preparing Future Public Servants for Diverse Challenges 01:12:00 The Need for Transparency in Local Government Work

AuthentiCity FM, Episode 34: Faithful, Focused, and Fiercely Loyal with Christopher Walton

What does loyalty actually require of you? Not the version that sounds good in a performance review. The version that asks you to disagree fiercely, hold your ground, and then execute faithfully on a decision that wasn't yours. That distinction is at the center of this conversation, and it runs through everything. This episode covers a lot of ground. What resilience looks like when the hard moments don't feel as big as everyone else thinks they should. Why a culture of change is fundamentally different from a culture that reacts to change. How the code of ethics was an easier map in 2002 than it is today, and what it means to navigate the profession when the map has limits. What it means to be nonpartisan without being apolitical, and why those are not the same thing. The question of how to describe this profession in three words opens something worth sitting with. The answers from around the table are honest and unresolved in the right way. One answer lands on nonpartisan professional service. Another argues that distilling it at all is an injustice to local democracy. A third pulls the ICMA code of ethics out of a coat pocket at exactly the right moment and lets it speak for itself. Underneath all of it is a quieter thread about what it means to feel the weight of the work without being crushed by it. About serving faithfully in systems that are imperfect, slow to turn, and still worth turning. The invitation at the end is for everyone. Not just people in the profession. Anyone paying attention to their community and wondering whether their voice belongs in the conversation. 00:00 Introduction to Authenticity FM and Guest Background 01:52 Christopher Walton's Journey and Early Career 08:28 Navigating Local Government and Community Engagement 12:24 The Dynamics of Town and Gown Relationships 16:45 Resilience and Life Lessons 21:15 The Importance of Perspective and Privilege 30:54 Service to Community and Preserving Democracy 37:06 Personal Interests and Hobbies 41:40 Personal Connections and Hobbies 45:09 The Role of Family in Life 45:30 Interview Techniques and Self-Description 48:41 Describing Ourselves: A Personal Reflection 52:53 The Complexity of the Profession 56:49 Navigating Ethical Dilemmas in Public Service 01:03:32 The Legacy of Service and Community Engagement 01:08:15 The Importance of Nonpartisan Professional Service