Episode 8 – Meet Christa – Middle Temple Director of Education

Episode 10 – Meet Lynda Gibbs KC(Hon) – Dean of the Inns of Court College of Advocacy

Welcome to this episode of Bar Student to Barrister, the podcast on your journey into pupillage and beyond into the early years of practice at the Bar. In this episode we meet Lynda Gibbs KC (Hon), Dean ofthe Inns of Court College of Advocacy (ICCA). Lynda was called to the Bar in 1993 by the Middle Temple and practised in criminal and family law on the Midland Circuit before embarking on a legal academic career. She became Dean of the ICCA in 2019 and leads post-qualification and Bar training. Lynda was appointed KC Honoris Causa in 2020 in recognitionof her work to promote a fairer justice system for children and vulnerable people, and to improve Bar training. She sits as a fee-paid Judge in the Mental Health Tribunal. Hear about the evolution of Bar training, the impact of the ICCABar Course, and the importance of specialist training for vulnerable people, particularly children. Lynda shares insights on trauma-informed advocacy and the upcoming Rape and Serious Sexual Offending (RASSO) course, emphasising the importance of post-qualification training. The conversation highlights the challenges and aspirations for the future of legal education and practice. We hope you enjoy this episode. MORE INFORMATION Lynda Gibbs KC (Hon) on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynda-gibbs-kc-hon-93384a10b/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynda-gibbs-kc-hon-93384a10b/] Inns of Court College of Advocacy https://www.icca.ac.uk/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/] Advocacy for Vulnerable People and Children (Crime) https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/advocacy-the-vulnerable-crime/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/advocacy-the-vulnerable-crime/] Advocacy for Vulnerable People and Children (Family) https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/advocacy-the-vulnerable-family/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/advocacy-the-vulnerable-family/] Advocacy for Children in Conflict with the Law https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/advocacy-for-children/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/advocacy-for-children/] Trauma-Informed Advocacy https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/trauma-informed-advocacy/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/trauma-informed-advocacy/] CONTACT Email: barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com [barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/ [https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/ [https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/] Website https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/] INDEPENDENCE Registration on the ICCA Bar Course confers no advantage inrelation to Inns’ scholarships or awards, Inns’ membership, Qualifying Sessions or Call to the Bar. For more information see the Policy on Independence [https://www.icca.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Independence-Policy-As-Approved-by-COIC-Trustees-12-October-2022.pdf] between the Inns of Court andthe ICCA. COPYRIGHT Inns of Court College of Advocacy (part of the COIC) © 2025. All rights reserved.

Episode 9 – Meet Bibi – The Advocacy Coach

Welcome to Bar Student to Barrister, the podcast on yourjourney into pupillage, and beyond into the early years of practice at the Bar, with Chris Kessling, Jody Klaire and our wonderful guest Bibi Badejo. Bibi was called to the Bar in 2005 and practises from 4PB specialising in family law. She is a Bencher at Inner Temple, an accredited advocacy trainer and the Criminal Course Director of the 2025 Keble Dutton Course. She is the founder of The Advocacy Coach, and host of The Advocacy Podcast providing practical advice for experienced trial lawyers. In this episode, Bibi shares her journey to becoming abarrister and her insights into the world of advocacy. She discusses the importance of advocacy training, the difference between coaching and training, and how to adapt techniques for different levels of experience. Bibi emphasises the role of self-awareness in advocacy and the impact of her advocacy podcast, where she explores various themes and techniques with expert guests. She also provides practical advice for those starting their advocacy journey, highlighting the importance of preparation and finding one's own voice. “If everyone could just realise that … whatever accent thatyou’ve got or background that you come from, you just need to be the best you, that your only competition is yourself and let’s develop that.” Thank you for joining us. We hope you enjoy this episode. MORE INFORMATION Bibi Chambers profile https://www.4pb.com/barristers/bibi-badejo/ [https://www.4pb.com/barristers/bibi-badejo/] Bibi on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/bibi-badejo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/bibi-badejo/]  4PB https://www.4pb.com/ [https://www.4pb.com/]  The Advocacy Podcast https://www.theadvocacypodcast.com/ [https://www.theadvocacypodcast.com/]  The Advocacy Coach https://www.theadvocacycoach.com/ [https://www.theadvocacycoach.com/]  The Advocacy Clinic https://www.theadvocacycoach.com/clinic [https://www.theadvocacycoach.com/clinic] The Hampel Method of Advocacy Training https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/the-hampel-method/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/post-qualification-training/cpd/advocacy-training/the-hampel-method/] Cross-Examination:Science and Techniques, By Larry Pozner and Roger J. Dodd https://www.doddlawclinic.com/books#cross-exam-science-tech [https://www.doddlawclinic.com/books#cross-exam-science-tech] Point Made, How to Write Like the Nation's Top Advocates, byRoss Guberman https://global.oup.com/academic/product/point-made-9780199943852?cc=gb&lang=en& [https://global.oup.com/academic/product/point-made-9780199943852?cc=gb&lang=en&] Turning Points at Trial: Great Lawyers Share Secrets,Strategies and Skills, by Shane Read https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9780985027117/Turning-Points-Trial-Great-Lawyers-0985027118/plp [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9780985027117/Turning-Points-Trial-Great-Lawyers-0985027118/plp] CONTACT Email: barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com Instagram https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/ [https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/ [https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/] Website https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/] INDEPENDENCE Registration on the ICCA Bar Course confers no advantage inrelation to Inns’ scholarships or awards, Inns’ membership, Qualifying Sessions or Call to the Bar. For more information see the Policy on Independence [https://www.icca.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Independence-Policy-As-Approved-by-COIC-Trustees-12-October-2022.pdf] between the Inns of Court and the ICCA. COPYRIGHT Inns of Court College of Advocacy (part of the COIC) © 2025.All rights reserved.

Episode 8 – Meet Christa – Middle Temple Director of Education

Meet Christa Richmond, Director of Education at the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple. Christa is responsible for the Inn’s Education Department, which looks after the ‘cradle to grave’ provision of education, training, and general advice for members and prospective members of the Inn. * Find out in this episode exactly what an Inn of Court is andhow it can help you on your journey to the Bar. * When and how can you join an Inn and what are therequirements? * When and how can you apply for a scholarship? * What exactly are Qualifying Sessions? * What are the requirements of Call to the Bar and whathappens during this ceremony? * And discover the wealth of additional assistance your Inncan bring you both before and after you are called to the Bar. Please follow/subscribe and we look forward to seeing youagain next Friday, with yet more helpful information and personal accounts to help and guide you on your journey to the Bar. INFORMATION Middle Temple website https://www.middletemple.org.uk/ [https://www.middletemple.org.uk/] Middle Temple on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-honourable-society-of-the-middle-temple/posts/?feedView=all [https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-honourable-society-of-the-middle-temple/posts/?feedView=all] Joining the Inn (Middle Temple) https://www.middletemple.org.uk/joining-the-inn [https://www.middletemple.org.uk/joining-the-inn] Document Requirements and Certified Copy Guidance (MiddleTemple) https://www.middletemple.org.uk/certified-copies-guidance [https://www.middletemple.org.uk/certified-copies-guidance] Middle Temple Scholarships https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/scholarships [https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/scholarships] Drop-in sessions for scholarship applicants https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/scholarships-prizes/drop-sessions-scholarship-applicants [https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/scholarships-prizes/drop-sessions-scholarship-applicants] Qualifying Sessions https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/student-information-services/qualifying-sessions [https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/student-information-services/qualifying-sessions] Call to the Bar https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/student-information-services/call-to-the-bar [https://www.middletemple.org.uk/education-training/student-information-services/call-to-the-bar] Grays’s Inn https://www.graysinn.org.uk/ [https://www.graysinn.org.uk/] Lincoln’s Inn https://www.lincolnsinn.org.uk/ [https://www.lincolnsinn.org.uk/] Inner Temple https://www.innertemple.org.uk/ [https://www.innertemple.org.uk/] CONTACT Email: barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com Instagram https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/ [https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/ [https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/] Website https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/] INDEPENDENCE Registration on the ICCA Bar Course confers no advantage inrelation to Inns’ scholarships or awards, Inns’ membership, Qualifying Sessions or Call to the Bar. For more information see the Policy on Independence [https://www.icca.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Independence-Policy-As-Approved-by-COIC-Trustees-12-October-2022.pdf] between the Inns of Court and the ICCA. COPYRIGHT Inns of Court College of Advocacy (part of the COIC) © 2025. All rights reserved. Inns of Court College ofAdvocacy (part of the COIC) © 2025. All rights reserved.

Episode 7 – Meet Donna O’Leary – AI and the Legal Profession

In this episode, we meet Donna O’Leary, AI Consultant at DOL Consultancy, a Course Designer and Lecturer at the Law Society of Ireland, and an Irish and UK-qualified solicitor. AI is something which will have a significant impact on allof us, which is why we were so pleased that Donna recently gave a lecture to ICCA Bar Course students, recorded at the Inner Temple, and entitled ‘AI and the Legal Profession’. What does AI literacy actually mean? Why have hallucinations become a big problem for the legalprofession? How do you use AI in the right way? You will hear much of the lecture in this episode, in whichDonna explains the AI legal framework; AI terminology uses and limitations; how AI can assist your daily work, and your professional obligations when using it. Introduced by Lynda Gibbs KC (Hon), Dean of the ICCA, we hope you enjoy this episode. If you do, please like and subscribe for more. MORE INFORMATION Donna on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/gaurav-sachanandani-73394a230/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/donna-o-leary-179583a2/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/donna-o-leary-179583a2/] New guidance on generative AI for the Bar (Bar Council) https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/new-guidance-on-generative-ai-for-the-bar.html [https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/new-guidance-on-generative-ai-for-the-bar.html] Judicial AI guidance https://www.judiciary.uk/guidance-and-resources/artificial-intelligence-ai-judicial-guidance-october-2025/ [https://www.judiciary.uk/guidance-and-resources/artificial-intelligence-ai-judicial-guidance-october-2025/] R(Ayinde) v London Borough of Haringey [2025] EWHC 1383(Admin) https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Ayinde-v-London-Borough-of-Haringey-and-Al-Haroun-v-Qatar-National-Bank.pdf [https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Ayinde-v-London-Borough-of-Haringey-and-Al-Haroun-v-Qatar-National-Bank.pdf] Bar Code of Conduct (Part 2 of the BSB Handbook) https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/the-bsb-handbook.html?part=E3FF76D3-9538-4B97-94C02111664E5709&audience=&csrfToken=&q= [https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/the-bsb-handbook.html?part=E3FF76D3-9538-4B97-94C02111664E5709&audience=&csrfToken=&q=] CONTACT Email: barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com [barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com] Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/iccabar/ [https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/ [https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/] Website https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/] INDEPENDENCE Registration on the ICCA Bar Course confers no advantage inrelation to Inns’ scholarships or awards, Inns’ membership, Qualifying Sessions or Call to the Bar. For more information see the Policy on Independence [https://www.icca.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Independence-Policy-As-Approved-by-COIC-Trustees-12-October-2022.pdf] between the Inns of Court andthe ICCA. COPYRIGHT Inns of Court College of Advocacy (part of the COIC) © 2025. All rights reserved.

Episode 6 – Meet Karolina – Housing, Employment, Business & Property, and more!

In this episode, meet Karolina Zielinska, ICCA BarCourse graduate and Called to the Bar by the Middle Temple in 2021, and a tenant at 42BR Chambers, a Legal 500 leading chambers. Inspired to join the Bar at an early age by an InternationalLaw Barrister, Karolina set out on her journey with a clear goal in mind. Karolina has developed a broad practice across chambers’areas of civil expertise, including Housing Law, Employment Law, Business & Property Law, Personal Injury and Alternative Dispute Resolution - Karolina is an accredited Civil and Commercial mediator and accepts instructions to mediatea variety of civil and commercial disputes. Karolina is also currently an Advocate panel member and hasa particular passion for pro bono work, having previously volunteered at the Free Representation Unit, Commons and Amicus UK, amongst other charities. “It’s important to really be rigorous in evaluating your ownCV at each stage of the process, so that if there are issues, that can be what you focus on before being able to put your best foot forward in an application.” “Everybody’s got different skills and you only really findout to some degree in practice what those are.” “I love the areas of practice I do, and I think when youenjoy your work and you’re good at it, then often that’s reflected back in the repeat instructions you get, and so over time that’s how my practice has carved itself out.” “If you told me, starting university or ending university,that I was going to end up doing mostly landlord & tenant or property law, I would’ve been so shocked … which is why it’s so important to get some idea of what it’s like to do things in practice before you discount them completely.” Thank you for joining us for this episode of Bar Student to Barrister. Please like/subscribe and we look forward to you joining us again next Friday. MORE INFORMATION Karolina on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/gaurav-sachanandani-73394a230/https://www.linkedin.com/in/karolina-zielinska-960120190/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/karolina-zielinska-960120190/] 42BR Chambers https://burnellchambers.co.uk/https://www.42br.com/ [https://www.42br.com/] Bar Code of Conduct (Part 2 of the BSB Handbook) https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/the-bsb-handbook.html?part=E3FF76D3-9538-4B97-94C02111664E5709&audience=&csrfToken=&q= [https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/the-bsb-handbook.html?part=E3FF76D3-9538-4B97-94C02111664E5709&audience=&csrfToken=&q=] Bar Council Ethics Hub https://www.barcouncilethics.co.uk/ [https://www.barcouncilethics.co.uk/] Ethical Capacities (ICCA) https://www.icca.ac.uk/ethical-capacities/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/ethical-capacities/] Free Representation Unity (FRU) https://www.thefru.org.uk/ [https://www.thefru.org.uk/] CONTACT Email: barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com [barstudent2barristerpodcast@gmail.com] Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/iccabar/ [https://www.instagram.com/iccabar/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/ [https://www.linkedin.com/school/the-inns-of-court-college-of-advocacy/] Website https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/ [https://www.icca.ac.uk/icca-bar-course/bar-student-to-barrister-podcast/] INDEPENDENCE Registration on the ICCA Bar Course confers no advantage inrelation to Inns’ scholarships or awards, Inns’ membership, Qualifying Sessions or Call to the Bar. For more information see the Policy on Independence [https://www.icca.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Independence-Policy-As-Approved-by-COIC-Trustees-12-October-2022.pdf] between the Inns of Court andthe ICCA. COPYRIGHT Inns of Court College of Advocacy (part of the COIC) © 2025. All rights reserved.