Business from Scratch
In this episode, I’m sitting down with my business partner and longtime friend, Matt Ray. Matt is the co-owner of The Starling, was my co-founder at The Ibis, and has also been one of the creative people behind so much of the visual identity of Salt + Charm over the years. We have known each other since we were kids, so this conversation gets personal in the best way. We talk about what it’s really like to go into business with a friend, what made our partnership work, and what we would absolutely do differently if we could go back. Opening one bar was exciting. Opening a second one may have happened a little too quickly, and selling The Ibis taught both of us a lot about letting go of something you built and trusting that it can keep becoming what it needs to be without you. We also get into Matt’s work as a food and lifestyle photographer, how he built that career, and what it looks like to stay creative in an industry that is constantly changing. We talk about iPhone content, AI, short-form video, print work, and why authenticity still matters so much when you’re trying to tell the story of a brand. And of course, we talk about pricing creative work, because that is a whole thing. Matt shares what it has been like to figure out what his work is worth, why not every client is your client, and how hard it can be to quote a price when the value of creative work can feel so personal. This is one of those conversations that reminds me that business is never just business. It is relationships, timing, trust, hard decisions, creative pivots, and learning when to hold on and when to let something go. Business From Scratch with Abbye McGee is for people who are building a business while rebuilding their life. Abbye, a single mom and three-time founder, shares clear and honest talk about the real work behind mindset, money, identity, and daily life when you start from zero. The show gives you steady guidance, simple steps you can use right away, and real conversations with founders, creatives, and friends who built their own way. Each week helps you focus, test ideas, and keep moving even when the process feels messy.
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